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    Stripping naked to wash is best accomplished if you take-of your clothes.
    Down to the skin and hairs.
    If possible, tear skin yourself, exposing bone and muscle.

    Undress yourself to the core, wash, wipe and add each level working upwards, step by step.
    Wet, soap, rinse, dry.
    When you reach the skin level, stop. look at yourself with eyes wide open, before you put on your person suit.
    That's YOU.


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    Have you ever squeezed into your girlfriend's panties, enjoying how your package bulged through the fabric where her vagina presses against?

    Yeah...me neither.


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    Post by Satyr on Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:08 pm

    Listen again....I distinctly say "this is how people"...other people, the many, think of perspectivism...not this is what Nietzsche thought.
    I wont challenge your knowledge on all things Nietzsche, since it has some desirable, for me, side-effects.
    A superorganism requires no 'conspiracy'. Less challenging minds are easier to handle, to discipline, to control. The system promotes, with carrot/stick techniques the types it wants to propagate.
    This occurs through the dynamics the system creates. Social rules, behavioural rules, impose a price on 'bad behaviour'....one cost is being excluded form the gene pool.  
    Therefore, the system's imposed rules propagate a specific kind of citizen.
    This is basic sociology.
    Genes to Memes
    The cell had to lose its independence to be integrated into the organism.
    The ideal citizen is how I described him...and is socially selected, contrasting to natural selection, in that the environment alters what is to be considered ideal behaviour, or 'positive' traits.
    Women act as memetic filters....weeding out of the gene pool their own culture's undesirables....preventing them from passing on their genes.
    In natural environments they are genetic filters...in manmade environments they are memetic filters.  

    Judgments have costs and benefits which are intervened upon by a system, the institution.
    I didn't say unnatural.
    I said artificial.
    Artificial:
    When an organism intervened upon its environment to the point where its interventions begin to affect it more then the environment it intervened upon.
    Simple definition.
    Unfit genes are permitted to propagate.
    I'm stating a fact...not implying any 'solutions'.
    Like man's interventions on natural process produce pollution of said natural environments.
    This does not imply that I want to kill everyone.
    Man's interventions upon natural processes produce collateral effects that unbalance said environments....and produce pollutants...some of which are genetic pollutants in the form of mutations that would not survive within natural environments.
    Basically I'm saying we all live with the consequences our own choices, actions, based on our right or wrong choices based or our superior or inferior judgments and values, base on objectives that were delusional or pragmatic.

    The rest is all you and your idealisms, dude.

    This is how an ideology contradict itself, and the individual deceives himself:
    Christianity....as an example.
    If applied as it is written, as it is in theory, the christian dies, unless there's a system protecting him, or he never practices what he believes is 'good'...is ideal.
    Every week he contradicts his own conscious principles and beliefs, and every Sunday he goes to church to atone for them....and then repeats his sins to survive...and then cleanses himself...and on and on.....

    No, not all perspective survive, because in your mind you want them to.
    A tribe that valued homosexuality would go extinct. A clan that values innocence and naivete, would perish.
    A perspective can remain theoretical if it is never practiced; if it is never put into play.
    I should clarify...not the eprspective, but the judgments this perspective produces...and the evaluations...what and to what degree it values - value being a judgment evaluating in relation to an objective.
    An individual can be convinced that all men are equal and then act in contradiction to it.
    All perspectives has consequences....if these consequences are not intervened upon to adjust them, protecting the actor from the consequences of his own actions, he faces the consequences of his perspective....and the choices based on this perspective.

    An anarchist, for example, if he puts his anarchy into practice and does not simply use it as a conversation piece, will die, or go to jail.
    If he applies his values, let's say in a Mad Max clean slate dystopia....he cannot change the consequences of his bad judgment.
    Because while he is refusing to organize, on principle, some dudes across the way are doing just that....then they go over and kill him, and rape his wife and children, while he proclaims how there is no authority, and how all men ought to live free.
    His perspective, if applied, will result in his demise.
    But he will never apply them because it is virtually impossible to not construct a hierarchy when one or more humans are in the same place.
    In modernity he can be an anarchist and attack the cops, as they do in Athens....and he will not suffer any severe consequences, because the system protects him from his own idiocy.

    Replace anarchist with pedophile, just to avoid the triggering protective types.
    How long would a pedophile survive, without a protective sheltering system if he dared to practice his own values, his own perspective?
    In his mind having sex with a child is good....he has all sorts of justifications, explanations...some very convincing.
    He keep it hidden. Sometimes he cannot stop himself and his perspective leads to actions, based on his judgments of the circumstances.
    A perspective takes all elements into consideration....all components in a given environment.
    Law and order being one.
    A wrong judgment leads to repercussions.

    Marxism was never practiced, because it could not.
    Marxists blamed world, and not their won ideology. They slaughtered millions who did not fit into their idealized world, populated by ideal humans, in ideal circumstances - Utopianism.
    It did not question its perspective of the world, and of man, but the world and man that did not fit into its perspective.



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    Re: Parelipomena

    Post by Satyr on Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:23 am

    I gave myself permission to look, but was not given permission to speak of what I saw.
    The pressure came forth in whimpering cries of dismay, becoming growls of madness.
    Vermin scattered and hid in the shadows, but one rose from the east, and settled upon the west; crouching upon the myriads.

    A bee, once named mellisa, settled on my chest - honey-fed and pollen laden.
    I closed my eyes and expanded my hearing, listening to her rhythmic song, lamenting a dying world.
    Who shall make the nectar to quench Olympian thirsts?
    Masks and excuses, pretenses and lies, shall rule the world.

    I will survive, warped and crippled, but I will not forget.
    My mind will be beeswax; hexagonal honeycombs gradually filled with the sweetness of my labours.


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    Diotima teaches Socrates with her absence made present in his mind, the qualities of eros.
    What does the lover recall in the perception of the 'good' the agathon in an other?
    He recalls it in himself, and forgets, repulses what is not oikeion, what does not belong to him.
    He wants to posses, make his own, what is good, to add to his own, to reaffirm it as belonging to him.
    He wants to make the good his habit, his home. What is most intimate to him.

    In nou, mind, that which has no place (a-topon) and no time (a-chronon) is given a time/place.
    Is made present, as idea(l).
    The divine is recalled to mind, is made present, as a noumenon, and is re-cognized in other, to the degree that it is perceived in self.
    The ordered is appreciated to the degree that it is re-cognized in self, as organism, in the process of ordering.
    That which does not belong to it, chaos, or as base, beneath his level, is pushed away as ugly, or as inferior, as already surpassed.

    The agathon {α-γαθον} is that which the mind wishes to attain, as the highest.
    Merger of mind/body, the noumenon/phenomenon.
    Harmony of the idea(l) with the real - convergence.

    That which has the highest value. That which is good. Beautiful kalos {καλος}.
    Order is the highest agathon for an ordering organism. It is beautiful, empowering, inspiring.
    Pattern is en-ergy, that is brought to mind, is re-called as order, as beauty.
    It is at-work...effort.
    Poiesis {ποιηση}, originally ascribed to the act of creating and/or manipulating order - giving it a higher form. Taking the base and raising it - synthesizing patterns into new unities.
    Muse = nymph of the beautiful. Μανθανω/Μαθαινω - learn, to be taught.
    Ορεο - Beaitiful
    Ορος - mountain, height, peak. To delineate, to urge. Similarities with ερος...indicating a telos {τελος}, and end.
    Ορω - to see, to perceive.

    The (Ο, o) indicates an enclosure, a whole, bounded.
    The use of the epsilon indicates an open-ended duality forming, becoming, incomplete, unbound (Ε, ε)....represented by the theta (Θ, θ), modern symbol for eternity (Theos, Θε-ος = God, the eternal Being). The whole divided in two - dualism, binary. Also the eighth letter in the Greek alphabet. 8 = infinity.
    In the word Θ-ε-ος..we see the succession from eternal Being, through open ended becoming, towards a completion in on, given an 's' to represent process....a sigh, a expelling of air through clenched teeth.

    This effort we experience as need/suffering - agon, struggle.
    To live is to be aware of one's state as being in constant effort, at work.
    The idea(l) used to orient the organism in time/space exposes the organism's self-awareness, and self-appreciation - self-consciousness.
    Every idea, acts as an orienting objective that characterizes the actor, the natural agency, the one who uses it to move toward it.
    That which you aspire to be, is what you are - being as becoming.
    The idea(l) is unattainable.
    How it manifests in the mind of the actor, determines his/her relationship with the world, cosmos.
    Not humanity only, but humanity within a cosmic environment.

    This relationship has consequences. Good and bad.
    Costs/Benefits in relation to the idea(l), the objective.
    The consequences are determined by the movement towards it - interacting with world.


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    Judgment = the act of juxtaposing, comparing.
    Consciousness is a continuous judging, discriminating, perceiving divergence; awareness of difference.
    One juxtaposes 1 with 1, the 0 being the separation, the gap formed when the mind abstracts dynamic process into abstraction.

    Triangulation.
    Subject using Object, projected as objective....goal, Ideal.
    The object is given a value in relation to the objective.
    In self-conscious organisms, like the human species, the self is also evaluated in relation to the objective.
    A further advancement in cognition evaluates the objective in relation to the object.
    Because not all objectives are valuable, or realistic.
    We have the triangulation of Body (past - memory)/ Nervous System (present - apparent) / Mind (future - Ideal).
    The fourth dimension is change, movement/momentum, measured as time, using biorhythms.
    This constitutes the four dimensional plain of human awareness, within which he orients and perceives interactivity = existence.

    Judgment is the juxtaposition of the three, in any sequence, and in relation to a motive, the movement towards.
    Momentum, dynamism, is unavoidable. the goal is to control, to direct this movement/momentum...as much as possible.
    We are thrown into existence...as one is thrown into a river flowing towards an unknown sea - Dasein.
    We want to learn to swim, keep afloat (survive), and to direct our movement within the flow (flux).
    The subjective mind, relates to the objective world, and then projects a desired outcome, an objective.
    Subject, Object, Ideal, can all be misjudged, and this error, its degree, will manifest in a costly outcome.
    If anyone of three is misjudged, wrongly evaluated, it will come out in the consequences.
    If the mind fails to discern the root of its misjudgment, measure its approximate degree, it will continue making errors.
    Errors is a way of adapting, adjusting.....ergo judgment evolves to be efficient and effective through trials and tribulations. In sheltered environments this is not the case.
    The individual does not face the full extent of its errors in judgment, so it repeats the same behaviours. With no trials, no stress, it does not have to adjust, nor adapt - stagnation, atrophying.

    This is why Europeans dominated and Africans, who remained in less demanding environments, did not evolve as fast. Europeans almost went extinct, and only the most creative, innovative, hardy, survived and passed on their genes.
    The tribes that remain din more primordial, habitats, for humans, did not face the same stressors...so they stagnated.

    The river's flow is determinism.....our choices are our will trying to challenge it, contradict it.
    The water is not all.
    That is only order, we perceive as energy/matter and the intermediate state of liquidity.
    To the extent that chaos is part of the flow, determines the degree we can contradict the flow, alter our course within it, swim contrary to it.

    Value is a word we give to that which pleases, agrees, is in harmony with our motive/movement.
    It does not mean it is equal to any other motive...because all is relative to world, the river's flow.  
    When we say 'truth' we do not mean an absolute...as there are no absolutes outside the mind, and outside the use of language.
    We use the term to refer to relationships that are more probable.  
    There is nothing indivisible, and immutable, except the simplified/generalized vagueness of abstractions. Vagueness is how the mind deals with fluidity and with dimensions it cannot integrate into its models...meanings.
    Mystification.
    Truth, therefore, refers to a dynamic process we call world.
    So we have a dynamic process, judgment, consciousness, trying to harmonize with a dynamic process we call world, flux.
    The swimmer is also activity, within the activity of a river. When he dies his parts become part of the flow - are re-turned to it.
    the river never strops flowing...there is no end. It';s flow expands, into a seemingly uniform calmness, or it is restricted, seeming to explode from nothingness.
    This is the cycle.
    Expansion of space/time towards absolute chaos, and shrinking to a dualism, of a near absolute singularity that is never finalized.
    Along the way vortexes emerge and merge....the river is sucked into a new siphoning process of near absoluteness, beginning the process.
    One river (flow/flux) gives rise to another...cosmic cycles.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:50 pm

    Judgment = process.
    The act of juxtaposing, and discerning divergence.

    Value = the conclusion.
    The end result of a judgment in relation to an objective.

    Triangulation of subject, with object, in relation to ideal.
    Any point of the triangle can be evaluated, judged, in relation to the other two.
    Past, precedent....Present, apparent.....Future, idea/ideal.
    Self - World - Goal
    Body - Nervous System - Mind
    Nature - Nurture - Projection
    Determined - Interaction - Undetermined
    Immutable - Dynamic - Vague
    Precedent - Application - Intent



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    Philosophy = Φιλοσοφια
    Friend of wisdom.

    Wisdom = The ability to judge what is useful and what is useless; what is real and what is fantasy; what matters and what does not, and to what degree.

    Knowledge = Data. Patterns.
    All knowledge is approximation.
    First Hand = Expriences
    Second Hand = education, reading, DNA...

    Understanding = Patterns within the patterns.
    Perception of meaning. What does the data, the knowledge mean?

    Meaning = a mental matrix representing relationships and degree of utility.
    Relationships between phenomena.
    Attraction/Repulsion degrees of interactivity.
    If the mental matrix, the map, corresponds to a geography, it is useful, pragmatic, it is sensible; it corresponds to sensual awareness.
    If it does not, it is nonsense.
    The mental map helps the organism navigate its environment.
    The objective determines the course taken, and the judgments and subsequent evaluations made.
    The individual is characterized by the course undertaken, and his progress towards the objective.
    Ideal = projection of objective.
    The ideal identifies the individual's intent. Any progress towards it determines the individual's character.
    Character is the application of inherited personality.
    Personality is determined by organs and thir hierarchy, their dominance, within the individual organism.
    Character is therefore the form personality takes in relation to world traversed towards the objective.


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