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    Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:34 pm



    from left: geddy lee (bass/keyboards/vocals), alex lifeson (guitar), neil peart (percussion)

    the baddest fucking power trio you'll ever hear.

    good quality headphones ONLY.


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:50 pm

    As grey traces of dawn tinge the eastern sky,
    the three travelers, men of Willowdale,
    emerge from the forest shadow.

    Fording the River Dawn, they turn south, journeying
    into the dark and forbidding lands of the necromancer
    Even now the intensity of his dread power can be felt,
    weakening the body and saddening the heart

    Ultimately they will become empty, mindless spectres...
    stripped of will and soul,
    only their thirst for freedom gives them hunger for vengeance...

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Barracuda on Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:05 am

    Enjoyable.


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:04 am

    oh you like Rush, huh? then here's one you've got to listen to. an epic song, lyrics/storyline written by Neil Peart (drummer). this song is a testament to progressive rock at its highest level.

    the composition is brilliant, cinematic, symbolizing each stage of the story. this song is relevent here especially because it's very philosophical, as you'll observe in the lyrics below (i think saully would love it). there is one correction to be made, though: it was prometheus who gave fire to man, not apollo. we'll let this mistake go though because Peart wasn't a greek historian or mythologist. the contrast between apollo and dionysus is perfect done, though. you'll see that without each, man remains incomplete.

    an interesting question, for me, is what cygnus is (other than the constellation) in the song; the  bringer of balance. in another album they reference cygnus X-1, in which a blackhole exists. could this be the bringer of balance- the black hole? anyway, this song is a masterpiece.  

    [I. Prelude]

    When our weary world was young
    The struggle of the ancients first began
    The gods of love and reason
    Sought alone to rule the fate of man

    They battled through the ages
    But still neither force would yield
    The people were divided
    Every soul a battlefield

    [II. Apollo / Dionysus]

    [Apollo: Bringer Of Wisdom]
    'I bring truth and understanding
    I bring wit and wisdom fair
    Precious gifts beyond compare
    We can build a world of wonder
    I can make you all aware
    I will find you food and shelter
    Show you fire to keep you warm
    Through the endless winter storm
    You can live in grace and comfort
    In the world that you transform'

    The people were delighted
    Coming forth to claim their prize
    They ran to build their cities
    And converse among the wise
    But one day the streets fell silent
    Yet they knew not what was wrong
    The urge to build these fine things
    Seemed not to be so strong
    The wise men were consulted
    And the Bridge of Death was crossed
    In quest of Dionysus
    To find out what they had lost

    [Dionysus: Bringer Of Love]
    'I bring love to give you solace
    In the darkness of the night
    In the Heart's eternal light
    You need only trust your feelings
    Only love can steer you right
    I bring laughter, I bring music
    I bring joy and I bring tears
    I will soothe your primal fears
    Throw off those chains of reason
    And your prison disappears'

    The cities were abandoned
    And the forests echoed song
    They danced and lived as brothers
    They knew love could not be wrong
    Food and wine they had aplenty
    And they slept beneath the stars
    The people were contented
    And the gods watched from afar
    But the winter fell upon them
    And it caught them unprepared
    Bringing wolves and cold starvation
    And the hearts of men despaired

    [III. Armageddon: The Battle Of Heart and Mind]

    The universe divided
    As the heart and mind collided
    With the people left unguided
    For so many troubled years
    In a cloud of doubts and fears
    Their world was torn asunder into hollow
    Hemispheres

    Some fought themselves, some fought each other
    Most just followed one another
    Lost and aimless like their brothers
    For their hearts were so unclear
    And the truth could not appear
    Their spirits were divided into blinded
    Hemispheres

    Some who did not fight
    Brought tales of old to light
    'My Rocinante sailed by night
    On her final flight'
    To the heart of Cygnus' fearsome force
    We set our course
    Spiralled through that timeless space
    To this immortal place

    [IV. Cygnus: Bringer Of Balance]

    I have memory and awareness
    But I have no shape or form
    As a disembodied spirit
    I am dead and yet unborn
    I have passed into Olympus
    As was told in tales of old
    To the city of Immortals
    Marble white and purest gold...

    I see the gods in battle rage on high...
    Thunderbolts across the sky...
    I cannot move, I cannot hide...
    I feel a silent scream begin inside...

    Then all at once the chaos ceased
    A stillness fell, a sudden peace
    The warriors felt my silent cry
    And stayed their struggle, mystified

    Apollo was astonished
    Dionysus thought me mad
    But they heard my story further
    And they wondered, and were sad

    Looking down from Olympus
    On a world of doubt and fear
    Its surface splintered
    Into sorry Hemispheres

    They sat a while in silence
    Then they turned at last to me
    'We will call you Cygnus
    The god of Balance you shall be'

    [V. The Sphere: A Kind Of Dream]

    We can walk our road together
    If our goals are all the same
    We can run alone and free
    If we pursue a different aim
    Let the truth of love be lighted
    Let the love of truth shine clear
    Sensibility
    Armed with sense and liberty
    With the heart and mind united in a single
    Perfect
    Sphere



    * standing ovation!!! *

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:35 am

    wait! it's the protagonist that become cygnus! it was the moment the gods heard his cry that their war ceased. profoundly moved (maybe even embarrassed?) by this, they made him the god of balance. oh man, there is incredible subtext here. i am positively giddy. man must become a god incarnate... a synthesis of the olympian gods. don't you see?!

    our gift from the gods is our responsibility and the power that comes with it.

    i haven't listened to this song in over fifteen years, and thanks to you, barracuda, i've just had a breakthrough.

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:52 am

    whoa. check this out. apparently the protagonist flies into the blackhole, and through that hole in space/time he becomes disembodied. it is here that he realizes he's in olympus. this is where he sees the gods in battle, and everything follows from there.

    the blackhole is a portal.

    this is too much man. i am freaking out.

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:04 am

    alright now listen to this one but after book 2, hemispheres. everything is connected man; you'll see the references of the ship Rocinante, above. my italics added.

    In the constellation of Cygnus
    There lurks a mysterious, invisible force
    The Black Hole of Cygnus X-1
    Six stars of the northern cross
    In mourning for their sister's loss
    In a final flash of glory
    Nevermore to grace the night


    discovering the blackhole


    Invisible
    To telescopic eye
    Infinity
    The star that would not die
    All who dare
    To cross her course
    Are swallowed by
    A fearsome force
    Through the void
    To be destroyed
    Or is there something more?
    Atomized, at the core
    Or through the astral door
    To soar


    approach and entrance


    I set a course just east of Lyra
    And northwest of Pegasus
    Flew into the light of Deneb
    Sailed across the Milky Way
    On my ship, the 'Rocinante'
    Wheeling through the galaxies,
    Headed for the heart of Cygnus
    Headlong into mystery
    The x-ray is her siren song
    My ship cannot resist her long
    Nearer to my deadly goal
    Until the black hole
    Gains control


    the passage through; strange space/time distortion; violent transformation


    Spinning, whirling
    Still descending
    Like a spiral sea
    Unending


    (in double time! wtf! this is madness!)


    Sound and fury
    Drowns my heart
    Every nerve
    Is torn apart


    physical body destroyed; enter olympus (see Hemispheres Book 2)




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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Barracuda on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:35 am

    Wait hold on. I was talking about the conversation with your mother.
    But now I have listen to that other thing too.

    Ill be back.


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:00 pm

    how anticlimactic.





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    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:14 pm

    we're on a roll, B. might as well keep going. eventually i'll compile all these posts into a Rush thread. this song is called Natural Science. my italics.

    genesis of life in the oceans; monomeric and polymeric life evolves in pools

    When the ebbing tide retreats
    Along the rocky shoreline
    It leaves a trail of tidal pools
    In a short-lived galaxy
    Each microcosmic planet
    A complete society

    A simple kind mirror
    To reflect upon our own
    All the busy little creatures
    Chasing out their destinies
    Living in their pools
    They soon forget about the sea


    extraordinary complexity evolves


    Wheels within wheels
    In a spiral array
    A pattern so grand and complex
    Time after time
    We lose sight of the way
    Our causes can't see their effects



    creation event > the present



    A quantum leap forward
    In time and space
    The universe learned to expand

    The mess and the magic
    Triumphant and tragic
    A mechanized world, out of hand



    modern man; scientific skepticism; techne; digital age, etc.



    Computerized clinic
    For superior cynics
    Who dance to a synthetic band

    In their own image
    Their world is fashioned
    No wonder they don't understand


    Wheels within wheels
    In a spiral array
    A pattern so grand and complex
    Time after time
    We lose sight of the way
    Our causes can't see their effects


    enlightenment; resolution


    Science, like nature
    Must also be tamed
    With a view towards its preservation
    Given the same
    State of integrity
    It will surely serve us well

    Art as expression,
    Not as market campaigns
    Will still capture our imaginations
    Given the same
    State of integrity
    It will surely help us along

    The most endangered species
    The honest man
    Will still survive annihilation
    Forming a world
    State of integrity
    Sensitive, open and strong


    process of eternal recurrence; new genesis


    Wave after wave
    Will flow with the tide
    And bury the world as it does
    Tide after tide
    Will flow and recede
    Leaving life to go on
    As it was


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:47 pm

    Tobes of Hades, lit by flickering torchlight
    The netherworld is gathered in the glare
    Prince By-Tor takes the cavern to the north light
    The sign of Eth is rising in the air

    By-Tor, knight of darkness
    Centurion of evil, devil's prince!





    Across the River Styx, out of the lamplight
    His nemesis is waiting at the gate
    The Snow Dog, ermine glowing in the damp night
    Coal-black eyes shimmering with hate




    By-Tor and the Snow Dog
    Square for battle, let the fray begin!


    1:46: the battle- guitar 1 (snow dog) and guitar 2 (by-tor) duel





    The battle's over and the dust is clearing
    Disciples of the Snow Dog sound the knell
    Rejoicing echoes as the dawn is nearing
    By-Tor, in defeat, retreats to Hell

    Snow Dog is victorious!
    The land of the Overworld is saved again


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:35 pm




    All this machinery
    Making modern music
    Can still be open-hearted
    Not so coldly charted
    It's really just a question
    Of your honesty, yeah your honesty

    One likes to believe
    In the freedom of music
    But glittering prizes
    And endless compromises
    Shatter the illusion
    Of integrity, yeah






    lyrics: Spirit of the Radio, from Permanent Waves Album (Rush)

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:42 pm

    Stay! Go!

    Work! No!

    Learn! Live!

    Earn! Give!

    Stay or fight?

    What's right?





    LISTEN!





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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:57 pm

    Sweet memories
    Flashing very quickly by
    Reminding me
    And giving me a reason why
    I know that
    My goal is more than a thought
    I'll be there
    When I teach what I've been taught
    And I've been taught...

    You know we've told you before
    But you didn't hear us then
    So you still question why
    No! You didn't listen again!

    You didn't listen again


    Sweet memories
    I never thought it would be like this
    Reminding me
    Just how close I came to missing
    I know that
    This is the way for me to go
    You'll be there
    When you know what I know
    And I know...

    You know we've told you before
    But you didn't hear us then
    So you still question why
    No! You didn't listen again!

    No....oh no

    You didn't listen again...



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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:54 pm

    There is unrest in the forest
    There is trouble with the trees
    For the maples want more sunlight
    And the oaks ignore their pleas





    The trouble with the maples
    And they're quite convinced they're right
    They say the oaks are just too lofty
    And they grab up all the light
    But the oaks can't help their feelings
    If they like the way they're made
    And they wonder why the maples
    Can't be happy in their shade?



    There is trouble in the forest
    And the creatures all have fled
    As the maples scream 'oppression!'
    And the oaks, just shake their heads


    2:53: 10/4 meter.....nice!


    So the maples formed a union
    And demanded equal rights
    'The oaks are just too greedy
    We will make them give us light'
    Now there's no more oak oppression
    For they passed a noble law
    And the trees are all kept equal
    By hatchet,
    Axe,and saw






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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:02 pm

    who writes songs like this? i thought every song had to be about falling in/out of love, or bustin' caps at dem niggas, or waving your hands in the air like you just don't care, or how miserable/angry you are.

    once upon a time musicians and the music they made actually had some creativity and substance. i know, right? wtf happened?

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:33 pm

    I looked in the mirror today
    My eyes just didn't seem so bright
    I've lost a few more hairs
    I think I'm... I'm going bald

    I think I'm goin' bald!





    Seems like only yesterday
    We would sit and talk of dreams all night
    Dreams of youth
    And simple truths
    Now we're so involved
    So involved with life

    Walk down vanity fair
    Memory lane everywhere
    Wall Street shuffles there
    Dressed in flowing hair

    Once we loved the flowers
    Now we ask the price of the land
    Once we would take water
    But now it must be wine
    Now we've been
    And now we've seen
    What price peace of mind

    Take a piece of my mind

    My life is slipping away
    I'm aging every day
    But even when I'm grey
    I'll still be grey my way


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:24 am

    The clouds prepare for battle
    In the dark and brooding silence
    Bruised and sullen stormclouds
    Have the light of day obscured
    Looming low and ominous
    In twilight premature
    Thunderheads are rumbling
    In a distant overture






    All at once,
    The clouds are parted
    Light streams down
    In bright unbroken beams





    4:55- alternate 6/4 and 7/4 meters... work, neil! (drummer). see if you can stay with him....


    Follow men’s eyes
    As they look to the skies
    The shifting shafts of shining
    Weave the fabric of their dreams




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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:39 am




    okay for a still-picture vid.

    i have only one objection. i don't like the reference to national socialism and the KKK as examples of unreasonable discrimination (like the witchhunts). i say this because racial and cultural tensions and conflicts are VERY REAL, unlike the problems created by witches, which are largely imaginary or harmless.

    am i worried about an integrated society? nah. it will work itself out; for whatever reasons why almost a third of the black population in this country is either on welfare or in prison, the country demonstrates its strength by being able to incorporate these degenerate elements into it without losing its vigor. waste and decay are always part of the process of social evolution. the question is whether or not a social organism can continue to progress when parts of it are sick. for all intents and purposes, the U.S. is doing okay even with almost one third of its thirteen percent black population being parasites.  

    and those people who are seduced by such degenerate culture? they don't matter. the fact that were were seduced indicates their lack of cultural integrity in the first place.

    at the same time, white trash redneck organizations like the KKK are a joke... not because of what they stand for, but because the people in them are seldom any better than the people they despise. the color of a piece of useless shit is not always brown, figuratively speaking.

    but i digress. this is the Rush thread, not the sociology thread.

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:08 am

    this is a damn good question. i hadn't even noticed until now.

    at 9:07 in The Necromancer, he appears as the champion to destroy the necromancer... but in By-Tor and The Snow Dog, he's an evil prince. wtf, man?

    http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/48098-by-tor/

    "he's a gutless flip-flopper"- solar federalist

    LOL!!!

    Fly By Night was the album preceding Caress of Steel, so maybe after he lost the fight with The Snow Dog, he had a change of heart?

    let us ponder this.

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:35 am

    oh wait. it's never explicitly mentioned that The Snow Dog is good, only that he's the nemesis of By-Tor, so being beaten by The Snow Dog wouldn't necessarily make By-Tor good. well it could but not because he was beaten by a 'good' enemy... there's a difference.

    i dunno. maybe being beaten by a dog in general was enough to cause By-Tor to really question his opinion about himself. i mean how bad-ass can you be if you get beaten by a dog, right? a dragon or a minotaur or a cyclops, sure, but a dog?

    The Snow Dog is no ordinary dog, though. i dunno. hard to say what By-Tor was thinking when he changed from a bad guy to a good guy.

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:42 pm

    they're asked about Permanent Waves, the album that followed Hemispheres.

    Neil explains the difficulty in writing Hemispheres, and the decision to stop writing textured, conceptual pieces... focusing more on writing single songs for the following albums. Geddy agrees, saying Hemispheres took a lot out of em.

    when asked if the band thought the music industry was digressing back to minimal rock-n-roll, Geddy says 'there's certainly some bands that have gone back to basics, but those are the bands that can't do anything but play basics.'

    when asked if they could go see a band, who would they see, Geddy replies 'i'd go see Yes in a second.'

    Geddy and Alex admit that Neil is the better lyrics writer, while Neil admits Geddy and Alex are better at writing the music. three peas in a pod.

    and what's the deal with Alex's hair? it's not even 1985 yet!

    btw, love the glasses, Geddy.


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:03 pm

    i've heard rock journalists and critics say that Neil's one of the greatest rock drummers. i'm not sure if these journalists are aware of what's going on here. in the genre of 'rock', there is nobody greater than Neil Peart. this is not a debate. you ask any rock drummer and they will admit this, personally. this isn't ringo star or charlie watts or nick mason or phil rudd on the skins here, people.  

    (i will exclude the drummers that Zappa used, but Zappa's music was only marginally rock-n-roll)

    look at his old ass... still gettin' it.





    and look! somewhere else in the world a little Neil is just starting out...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JL7jIshPjM

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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:17 pm

    you won't believe what i found. a 2112 comic book of the album. i was just getting ready to throw together a post for the album myself and i came across this. i simply can't compete with this.

    2112 is one of their older concept albums. briefly, the story line is like this: a futuristic dystopian society on a planet given to the meek, by the solar federation, eventually becomes ruled by priests. one of it's citizens discovers an acoustic guitar hidden behind a waterfall by someone from the elder race, and brings it before the priests. the priests, who suppress any form of creative art not sanctioned by the law, reject it. after returning home he has a dream in which he is confronted by an oracle, who tells him the history of the elder race that left the planet long ago. finally the citizen despairs and leaves the city, retreating to his secret place. after all hope is lost, he contemplates his death...

    then, all of a sudden, fighter jets dispatched by transport ships hovering above the planet, descend from the skies, attacking the city and its defenses. a fleet has come to destroy the priests and take back control of the planet. the elder race has returned!

    (FULL SCREEN VIEW REQUIRED)



    attention all pilots of the solar federation

    we have assumed control...




    *standing ovation!!!!*


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    Re: Rush (progressive rock band)

    Post by Zoot Allures on Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:48 pm

    ^^^ read again: important details recently added. (my bad)

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