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    Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:29 am

    My thesis:
    Language evolve from grooming.
    It became vocalizations with specific tones informing the group, sharing awareness of resources, an impending threat, sexual availability etc.

    Evolution of vocal cords to control the exhaling of air, made verbal language possible.
    Sequences of sound indicated phenomena in environment. More specificity was possible.
    Later this evolved to indicate abstractions in the mind, sensations, emotions, and later ideas, concepts, synthesizing two or more sensations, emotions and ideas.

    noumenon = thought, abstraction, sensation, emotion
    phenomenon = apparent - the present made apparent to a conscious mind interpreting it in the way it has evolved to translate the flux, patterned interactions, into static wholes.
    I've described elsewhere my theory as to how this occurs.
    Language refers to the nervous system - including brain as its collecting and processing hub.
    It synthesized body/mind, and merges external data with internal data into noumena.

    noumenon >>> phenomenon
    noumneon >>> noumenon
    noumenon >>> phenomenon + noumenon

    This data triggers reactions...such as emotions, or fight/flight.
    Abstractions can also be used to orient the organism, to set a course of action.
    The abstraction remain inert if it remains a noumenon.
    But the process of creating it can be reversed to produce an action.
    The noumenon can be translated back to an external form....such as an action or art, using a medium like stone, colour, sound etc.

    Noumena can be manipulated in the mind - cut into pieces, reorganized and re-synthesized.
    Then they no longer refer to a phenomenon in the world.
    Like a satyr, or a unicorn, or any fantasy construct.
    Imagination differs from fantasy in that fantasy is detached from reality, synthesizing extraordinary abstractions that refer to nothing outside the brain, whereas imagination synthesizes abstractions that can refer to phenomena outside the brain.
    Technology is an example of an externalization of man's knowledge of his own organic processes.  
    Therefore, from genes we get memes.
    Memes are genes specific but can be transmitted to alien genes...but this is not the issue here, so I will not get into that further. I will only say that the kind of culture that develops is particular to the population and the environment it evolved within.

    Language is art, using symbols.
    It can be used to enlighten, or to corrupt and manipulate.

    A pure nihilist uses language to slander language, wanting to level all down to nil.
    But he cannot, because language has no effect over matter/energy that is unconscious or that has not been programmed to understand, to react to, the symbols.
    Positive nihilists use language to fabricate fantastic, self-consistent, self-referential alternate realities by manipulating words and their meanings.
    They fail, for the same reasons.

    The most you can do with language is take control of a will outside your own....like a dog, a chimpanzee or a human trained to understand a language's conventional use....they can then be coerced or seduced or manipulated into redefining the words, or to connect them to specific sensations, emotions, imagery - propaganda is what we call this programming.
    Pavlovian education to automate reactions.
    Modern philosophy has become nothing more than this political psychologically manipulative propaganda method.
    It goes back to Plato and Socrates returning from war to find what had become of those who had listened to his teachings.  

    Exploiting woman, children and men-children...simpletons, is easy when you can manipulate symbols/words triggering internal processes that have already been programmed into the mind by the culture


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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:10 pm

    Language is a technique a technology.
    In the hands of a talented artist they can appear magical, like computers can seem like magic to a primitive mind, or a mind that does not know the principles underlying the computer's technology.

    Language is power. It can be used to clarify or cloud; it can be sued to manipulate minds, to transmit clarity and data, to exploit feebleness.
    Linguistic power does not exceed the number of minds trained to understand the language.
    It has no power over lifeless mater/energy or those not educated, that have not been programmed/trained to comprehend the symbols, the codes.

    It's range of effect is limited...yet it can convert others into agencies of one's own will, it can transcend space/time limitations, it is unhindered by natural order.
    It reflects the brain's freedom to do what it likes with the data that enters it, through the nervous system.
    This seems god-like, and seduced men-children prone to fantasy, and hypersensitive to world, seeking refuge in mind, in ideas.


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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:10 pm

    Matter/Energy = symbols/words referring to the velocity/momentum of oscillating/vibrating space.
    Space = possibility.
    Matter/Energy = probability.
    Oscillation at a particular speed and rhythm - eidos, kind.

    Its rhythm determines its kind, and its force determines its range of effect.
    Its interaction probabilities range - attraction/repulsion.  

    Dimensions represent its range of interaction.
    Dimensions are multiplying as time/space expands - chaos is increasing, and order interacting is contributing to this increase. Ironic huh...well chaos, being randomness can spontaneously, or after repetitive interactions can settle down to a rhythm, becoming order...so it works both ways. Order produces chaos, and chaos order.
    So the pattern weakens in one dimension as it is shared in multiple dimensions.
    Oscillation/Vibration means it is interactive in a sequence of dimensions.  
    Matter in more and energy in less, because ti is faster, so the sequence moves from dimension to dimension at a higher speed.

    Matter/Energy represent general categories of rate, speed of oscillation....in relation to the observing mind.
    We can visualize it as a lake with vortices of many sizes, and speeds of rotation.

    The water of the lake is the metaphorical Big Bang, creating momentum energy field.
    Let's call this the Energy field...capitalizing Energy to distinguish it from energy.
    Vortices merge and combine, or interact and are repulsed, or made to lose their consistency (rhythm of rotation and speed) rotation - made random (chaotic), or change reduced to a lower speed change in kind.
    Life emerges from a particular combination of these vortices.
    A combination that iterates - partially re-assimilating what is being lost by attrition....then storing momentum as a compensation for what is being lost.
    When 'not living' it simply follows the path-of-least-resistance, with no intent, or motive.
    When these stored momentum, data, begin to direct its flow we can speak of a rudimentary form of life and consciousness.  
    Because the similar is characterized by a reduced repulsion, the path-of-least-resistance tends towards what is of similar rhythm and rotation speed - attraction.
    The different is repulsed, due to its disharmony.

    Consciousness is the ability to take the path-of-more-resistance, to get to the objective. We call this 'will'.
    The only way I can explain it is that the stored data exerts an additional force adding to the power of the vortex so that it can break through more resistance, or circumvent it with persistence.
    Sperm, for example poke at the ovum until it gives way.  

    This persistence can only be explained as a product of an attraction beyond the immediate.
    So, through a medium the unity, we've metaphorically described as a vortex, so as to conceptualize it, is attracted beyond the immediate resistance. So it interacts until it or the resistance gives way.
    Let's imagine a vortex containing smaller vortices.
    This persistence can only be a consequence of the stored patterns/momentum being protected from external resistance.  
    The vortex creates a shield allowing the stored momentum within to exert their force without, protected from attrition...like a hamster in a wheel, within a glass cage, hitting the glass until it moves.
    The vortex is pushed on, from within, even if it is experiencing resistance from without.

    This configuration must have taken millions of years of interactivity to develop.

    All this is not me going mad....it is a metaphor helping others conceptualize what the hell I am talking about, and how I think life differs from non-life.
    No hidden essence, no magic, no great plan....simple interactions integrating and configuring patterns until great plans are possible.

    Life, unable to comprehend how it came about may invent a Creator, or may simply opt for the easiest method of saying 'all is alive', or all lives when it exists - life and existence is a tautology.
    This rids get rid of the problem without addressing it.
    Primitives did the same when they encountered phenomena they could not comprehend.
    They projected into them what they did know, mainly themselves as self-consciousness emerged.
    The primitive mind made all conscious to explain its own consciousness...and modern buffoons make all alive to explain life, because their brains are simple and cannot find a more rational explanation.
    To say 'all is alive', like 'all exists', rids the mind of the problem and it pretends it is saying something when it is saying nothing at all.
    It is simply taking the path-of-lest-resistance.
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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:20 pm

    To clarify is to bring forth into consciousness, into light - to make lucid.
    To shed light is to see details of diversity, of divergence. What in darkness appeared uniform becomes intricate in the light; what was one becomes multiple.
    Why?
    Because the mind must abstract the fluid into static absolutes.
    The fluid phenomena must be made noetic wholes.
    Infinite divisions are how the mind conceptualizes fluid time/space, with divergences in the fluidity.
    The more patterns you see, the more details you perceive, the more intricate the fragmentation.
    Consciousness is discrimination, and the juxtaposition of perceived patterns is judgment.

    How does consciousness experience fluidity?
    As change.
    How does it interpret, feel, Flux?
    As need/suffering.  

    The less you see, the less you suffer....the less you see the more uniform things appear.
    Sameness everywhere....reflected in your language. Language exposing mind.
    Language not to distinguish but to uniform, and convolute and to obscure and cast in darkness, where contradictions are lost in shadows; where all merges into a whole

    Words lose their meaning. Man is the same as woman.
    Black is the same as white. Love is the same as God.
    Life is the same as matter/order.
    All is one, manifesting as multiplicity.

    The mind needs wholes.
    The entire cosmos is converted to uni-verse.

    The Greeks said aletheia...to un-forget, to re-call, to un-cover.
    The Romans translated it to veritas....Heidegger explains it better.
    we derive our 'truth' from the Romans. We are not Hellenes.

    Parmenides has his last laugh. Heraclitus fades into obscurity.
    One god, one species, one life, all is ONE.

    Binary on/off simplicity. Primal.  
    One/Nil.
    Absolute one - singularity - Absolute nil, void.
    Binary logic, leads to dualism.
    The brain cannot think without them.
    It takes a special kind of brain to think as an artist, and to not be lost in his artistry.
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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:42 am

    The brain cannot conceptualize, cannot process data without converting it to a form it can first transmit, and then process into sensation, emotion, and then abstraction - thought.
    It has already interpreted sense data into nervous energy by the time it becomes conscious of phenomenon.
    We can say the interpretation, conversion, is the point of consciousness.

    How does fluidity become a particle?
    We use light as the medium.
    Light energy interacts with matter, let's say a brick. the brick is also fluid, but slow...this the mind interprets as solidity, mass.

    Light interacts with matter. The point of interaction is perceived by conscious mind as point in space/time. But light and matter are fluid, so they continue interacting...and so we have movement of particle.
    The brain cannot process fluidity, it needs static wholes - abstractions.  
    Data from brick is transmitted to organism, through the sense organ.
    So light interacts with matter, and is changed, splintered, redirected, slightly modified.....then it interacts with sense organ transmitting this effect to the organism. Organism translates this into a form it can transmit...neural pulses, bio-energy, whatever.
    In simple organism this results in a cascading effect....the stimulation triggering a reaction that spreads across the organism, triggering programmed (genetics) reactions to stimuli....and to specific kinds of stimuli a specific kind of reaction.
    In more sophisticated organisms the added factor of the data being transmitted to brain, via nervous system, where it is processed and reacted to.

    Language is one reaction.
    A vocalization of being startled may have evolved into a specific rhythm denoting specific reactions to specific stimuli.
    Evolutionary psychology has studies the reasons why social organism vocalize a perceived threat when this exposes them to increased danger.
    Dawkins selfish gene may have something to do with it.

    Language is a neurological effect of using nervous energy to transmit data outward.
    Its utility is as a connector of physical body to world beyond, or outside body.
    The nervous system also made internal data transmittable to brain, and subsequently externalized.
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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:56 am

    Absolute

    1- Mental abstraction.
    A human construct that can be defined in any way, with the appropriate word, symbol, code, ascribed to it as its representation.
    When taken literally the word suffices to make it real, though the word, does not refer to anything outside its own abstractions.
    [see word]

    2- That which is absent.
    Felt, by an organism, as need/suffering.
    The annulment of existence, reality.

    3- The absence of the absolute lends itself to any possibility if the mind detaches itself judgments from the past.
    If it does not then the abstraction remains what it evolved to be, a metaphorical, artistic, tool facilitating the focus and orientation of an organism's aggregate energies upon a projected object/objective.

    4- A mental abstraction created by cutting away its dimensions.
    The elimination of dimensions, particularly cutting away the dimension of time, makes it timeless, perfect, complete - it turns the fluid into a static thing.    

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    Abstraction

    1- Mental simplification, generalization.
    A mental model constructed by using sensual data gathered through the sense organs (externally), or through the organism's nervous system (internally).

    2- The cutting away of dimensions so as to process and store a phenomenon interacted with by using a mediating medium, such as light, air, electromagnetism.

    3- Ordering of a disordering world.
    The brain cuts away segments of the perceived so as to construct static models in a fluid environment.
    [see order]  

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    Artificial

    1- In reference to environmental conditions it describes a set of circumstances brought about due to human interventions upon natural processes.

    2- The point in space/time when an organism's inter-activities, and interventions, begin to affect it more than the conditions it intervened upon. The collateral effects are called pollutants.
    Usually interventions are directed by a human idea(l), a goal, a motive.

    3- A manmade effect, technology/technique, phenomenon, which would not have been created without human intervention.
    The roots of all such phenomena are in the past, and constitute a recombination of past (natural) phenomena in unique or artificial ways.

    4- The human brain's ability to foresee, project, speeds up the natural selection process, but it also speeds up the process of trial and error.
    Human interventions, using the past, as a guide, are essentially a fast-forwarding of the natural selection process.
    Phenomena remain viable only within human environments, and would not persist without continuing human interventions.
    This creates a self-referential system, within which social or memetic selection, guided by a human idea, motive, supersedes genetic selection, producing unforeseen collateral effects.
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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:35 am

    Most of philosophy is crap.

    Philosophical questions already presume what they are asking...
    Who created everything?
    Who tells the pattern to interact?
    What is vibrating/oscillating?
    What is changing?

    I also ask...
    Why am I such a genius?  
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    Or it is based on word confusion...
    Why does existence exists?
    I am absolutely sure there are absolutes?
    There is absolutely no elephant in my pocket.
    Truth is there is truth.
    Who created the creator?

    Tautologies declared but not justified.
    Life = order
    Life = matter
    Love = god
    Spirits  = everything unknown
    Soul = eternal
    Consciousness = god, divine essence

    Or tautologies referring to human noetic constructs like...
    All bachelors are unmarried
    A=A
    When you arbitrarily create tautologies it is easy to justify your thesis which you've already presupposed as being absolutely true.
    Then it becomes a matter of redefining words to accommodate the desired solution.
    When you confuse a tautology in your head for a tautology that applies to all existence you can be led astray by your won confusions.
    Example:
    Marriage is a manmade construct.
    1 = 1 - only if you understands that one does not exist outside your mind.
    1+1=2....logic...but only if you presume one as an abstraction hat can refer to everything and anything.
    1 represents the pure abstract. The idea...that can be anything.  

    A frog is a frog, is a tautology implying immutability....that you are referring to the exact same from every time you say 'frog', or write down the symbols that refer to a biological phenomenon with particular patterns - both physical and mental behaviours. The static word 'frog' (noumenon) refers to a fluid phenomenon.
    When you say 'self' you are referring to a continuum which is continuously changing, or being added to. The word, is a representation of an idea that is static, whole, referring to a phenomenon which is dynamic.
    So you never refer to the same exact phenomenon every time you use the word 'self'.

    Or they use language that mystifies, pretending to be saying something by either confusing, or triggering emotions...
    Matter emanates life
    Love loves loving

    By disconnected words from their use as connector of mind to the body, and of the idea(l) to the real, it makes them malleable to any definition.
    The word can refer to Scripture, to an idea that is shared but only exists in mind and cannot be perceived outside the mind.
    Then the word triggers sensations, emotions, programmed into the mind by culture, or have been programmed naturally, through natural selection, like fear of darkness or heights, or erotic feelings etc.

    Circular reasoning also presupposes a wholeness. The circle is a metaphor for the divine whole, the ONE.
    God creating all, in his image, is reflected in linguistic circularity.
    Love, loves loving, lovingly...
    Creator creates creation, creatively...
    Will wills willing, willingly...

    All language based contraptions.
    The created circularity is the enclosure that completes the abstraction = ONEness.
    Self-referential, self-consistency.  
    A symmetrical and often elegant piece of.... fArt.
    Like abstract fART it presumptuously pretends to be saying something profound, when it is saying nothing at all....but only triggering the audience, the mind of the observer, to project into it its own needs - 'all is subjective' means this.
    The idea, the philosophy, the fArt is so obscure that ti allows any interpretation to be projected into it. It says nothing, so as to impose a limit to how the audience will project into it. It simply implies, insinuates, triggers.

    The mind is comforted by completeness.
    It needs certainty in the uncertain indifferent cosmos. It craves order in a cosmos that includes and is confronted by chaos (randomness). The random terrifies man - it is the forever incomprehensible, unfathomable...the abyss. you cannot rationalize it, or reason with it. You cannot make deals, and come to a compromise. It is the very definition of 'evil'.
    Brain can only conceptualize in wholes - abstractions.
    Consciousness needs wholes to juxtapose and discriminate between.
    It projects what it knows, itself, into everything - to whatever degree that it knows self.  
    This shifts from generation to generation, so the whole adapts to man's self-knowledge.
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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:29 am

    Empathy is often misconstrued as a tautology with sympathy.
    Because the mind cannot separate its own subjectivity, used to understand other, to get into his shows, it assumes that empathy is the projection of self, in the others circumstances.

    It becomes trapped in its own subjectivity, unable to gradually eliminate it from its judgment.

    But empathy is a necessary aspect of a predator's success.
    'When it hears a rabbit screaming the fox comes running', as Harris said, 'but not to help'.
    Empathy is getting into the other's mind, but not necessarily to sympathize.
    Putting your self in the others circumstances is the easiest way to understand other.....projection.
    The next step is more difficult...to gradually adjust the degrees eliminating yourself and leaving only other.
    This requires an honest and precise self-knowledge.
    Self-knowledge not corrupted by fear (emotion), or self-flattery (ego), nor trapped in its own narcissistic self-referential self-consistent fantasies.
    A sense of self tried and tested against world - otherness.


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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:58 am

    Our inherited parasite, rooted in victimhood and the choseness of Abrahamism, inverting reality where good means bad, and strong means weak.....Orwell called it Newspeak.
    Keep in mind that this feigned 'humility' hides a deep rooted arrogance.
    Christians humiliate themselves on the ground that they deserve eternal life.
    Jews shame themselves on the ground that they were god's chosen people.
    Muslims degrade themselves in the name of Allah, as warriors of the one true god. Their manliness is submissive.
    They sacrifice to the oe and true male their manhood so as to be given the role of representative of his manhood.
    Power through association, which is a feminine form of power. 'I am valuable as a means to another's end' or 'I am strong through a proxy'.
    Strength through belonging to strength.
    'I am smart because I follow this genius'. To regurgitate and understand the genius makes the individual smart by association.

    Inversion of weakness to a theoretical, linguistically defined and supported strength.
    The ideals have no reference outside the mind...they remain noetic, theoretical, pure in their idealism, perfect in their vague untested inapplicable possibilities.
    More bolstering promises than pragmatic. The more extraordinary the claims the more the theory becomes seductive to weaklings.
    Power is seductive to females.

    Words lose meaning...they become idealism, theoretical....pure noumena with no references to phenomena - gibberish....naive romantic idealism.
    Manipulation of words to produce a desired reaction, to trigger emotions, sensations, reactions - a feminine tool used against masculinity. This is its only source of power.
    World = Humanity.
    The virus, this memetic parasite uses words to validate itself before a world it denies.
    It must deny it because world renders it useless, impotent. It has no power outside the mind.



    The vid shows feminization of mankind as a pragmatic, real phenomenon, not theory.
    Feminine methods of manipulation...using words triggering emotions, sensations, reactions.

    Nihilism is a memetic parasite, transmitted through symbols and language, that zombifies the host, detaching it form its environment.
    Moderns do not trust their own senses, finding their 'alternate reality' in books, in theoretical manuals describing outlandish theoretical realities, with magical properties and supernatural principles.
    They see diversity but they believe it is uniform....they see differences but they believe it is all the same. They seek approval, guidance, from the collective, or from the proxy.

    'Sexist' is this inappropriate use of a word, sex.
    Like 'racism'. The addition of the 'ism' implies that it is a theory, an idea, like the idea that race and sex are social constructs.
    To acknowledge that there are sexes and races is slandered by applying 'ism' to the words 'race' and 'sex' as an insult, or to make them equal to any other 'ism'.
    The misuse of words exposes nihilism in all its forms.
    For example the misuse of the term 'love' by the Christians, converting it from a biological behaviour, with distinguishing mental and physical traits, into a divine idealistic ambiguity - mystifying it.
    Human now is metaphysical.
    Detaching words from their utility is to convert them to mystifying divine concepts - a method of mental manipulation.
    Detaching words like 'human', for example, from its original reference to a biological type, a species, or a self-reproducing population with specific organic traits, makes it a concept that can have any meaning.
    Detaching words like 'male' and 'female' from their references offers degenerates the delusion that they are trapped in the wrong physical form - their brains in conflict with their bodies.
    This is Frankfurt School Marxism, at work...a continuance of Abrahamism.  

    Neurosis, psychosis, narcissism, paranoia, follow.
    Self-aggrandizing to compensate for feelings of inadequacy, exaggerated self-love to mask self-hatred, hyperbole to cover the mundane, extraordinary claims and promises to hide depletion and anxiety.
    Detaching the mind from reality, through words may feel pleasant, but it leads to severe negative consequences.
    A form of madness - zombification. Addiction/Obsession....personality worship, word addictions,living through text....and so on.
    Like taking drugs to cope with reality, disconnecting your mind from your body's restrictions and its honesty - entering a lucid dream state.
    An attempt to escape self, as a connection to a determining past.


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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:51 am

    This is where the detachment of words from their utility as conenctors of mind to world, or mnid to body, the idea(l) to the real....leads to....
    This absurdity of reinventing the meaning of words or inventing new words to accommodate noetic theoretical concepts.



    Words properly applied as tools, not toys for cowards to self-comfort and hedonists to self-pleasure themselves is a return to sanity.


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    An example of how a hypocritical douche-bag corrupts language or plays with words to support his desired outcome, which for this imbecile is, 'all is relative'.
    This is what has become of our world under the side-effects of this memetic virus.

    Now, try reasoning with this imbecile.
    You cannot, because he begins with his desired outcome Top<>Down reasoning...and he feels threatened by any and every other possibility.
    For him it is a matter of survival...and survival is what runs the universe, according to these cowards.
    Survival at all costs means we sacrifice common sense, manipulate language all for the sake of survival.
    Survival trumps everything. Everything is trying to survive.
    Survival runs everything even non-living matte/energy.


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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:09 am

    If men and women of nobility, pride and integrity, do not come together and fight against this linguistically transmitted scourge then all is lost.
    The virus kills the host, sealing its own fate. It cannot help itself. It is its nature to do so.


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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Zoot Allures on Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:29 am

    satyr wrote:If men and women of nobility, pride and integrity, do not come together and fight against this linguistically transmitted scourge then all is lost.

    let's do it.

    where do we start?
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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:48 am

    At my house....0500...bring a change of underwear.
    When you have nothing invested, you have nothing to lose.
    Everything is trivial.


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    Re: Semiotics - Language/Symbols - numbers & letters

    Post by Zoot Allures on Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:40 pm

    satyr wrote:At my house....0500...bring a change of underwear.

    let me guess... we each get assigned to a battle station on front of a computer, where together we'll attack fifteen different philosophy forums with posts nobody will ever read?

    now that's what i call a war.

    you're right, i should bring a change of underwear, because if that's what you've got planned for us... i probably will shit my pants.
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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:48 pm

    This is a War Like No Other.
    A war of words, a war over words, manipulating hearts and minds.
    Word War 1
    Lobotomizing and castrating you using linguistics.

    It's a feminine war...for feminized times....so men-children are on the front lines.

    For you I have a special role.
    Retard controller...or vermin exterminator.
    Find the biggest blowhard declaring himself wise and genius, and keep him occupied....try talking about him, and how great he is.
    He'll go on and on forever.
    Don't worry about changing him mind or talking sense into such parasites infested zombies.
    Just spray him with disinfectant and, chop off what remains of his brain, if you can.
    If you can't...light him on fire...he's flammable. He's actually a flamer.
    Then lead him away from the compound and toward a tar pit.  

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    i will be your achilles, but if you pull an agamemnon on me, i quit.
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    I sure as hell am not going to be Patroclus.
    I'll be Odysseus.
    Call me Outis.


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    satyr wrote:I sure as hell am not going to be Patroclus.

    that was my fault dude. first, i should have never brought him, and second, if i did bring him, i should have kept my eye on him the whole time.

    i leave for five minutes and what does he do? he takes my armor and goes off to fight hector, no less.

    fucking patroclus; wants to be a heroic warrior and wield a sword when he can barely even use a winnowing fork correctly.

    i've never forgiven myself for that day.
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    In a word where there's a demand for crazy, the crazy sells.

    This crazy needs word-associated self-referential, and, if possible to preserve what's left of self-dignity, it needs self-consistent crazy.
    Looping, loopiness of words referring to words, entirely circumventing the world itself, but only alluding to it, like that other product of escapism we call Hollywood.

    The goal is not to engage world but to engage humanity.
    Humanity is now code for world.
    Popularity validates the mythoplacy. Sales replace empiricism.
    A product that sold in the past, was a 'hit' with a particular demographic, like Nietzsche, and Jesus, let's say, can be combined to attempt a repeating of the formula that was such a success - sold high.

    Rename, the synthesized product, re-brand it, and repackage, to appeal to a new generation of the same types that bought the first.
    God is dead? Rename god, and resell him using a different word/symbol to the same gullible nit-wits that bought the first last version of that old crap.
    Find an icon/idol as a famous face, name, for the product to represent its essence, its idea(l) and then use language to confuse and seduce morons.

    It's marketing 101.
    Bernays sold smoking to females by associating into with a penis - penis envy.
    Lesbians ore females that envied male freedoms, social status, took up smoking as a symbol of their emancipation form Paternalism.
    It's how you sell the product, and this is dictated by the kind of mind you are targeting your new and improved product with your sales pitch.
    Nietzsche is always a seller for post-modern, above average in intelligence and in desire, males. Lost boys find in him, his psychological insinuations, a paternal figure connecting them to ancient more masculine ages.

    The marketing agent has to exhibit confidence in himself and his own product, to project it to the intended buyers.
    To do so he must believe in his own seller's pitch.

    Best method is to promise the extraordinary, to make large claims, even if none of it will be delivered.
    The larger the need/desire the larger the lie must be that convinces it, that feeds it.

    If numbers is what you covet then the lie must be all-inclusive and general.
    As vague as possible.
    If the target group is specific then you sharpen the sale's pitch to accommodate the psychology if that specific group - its particular nature expressing specific needs/desires in specific degrees.

    When seducing females the male may pretend to be the ideal she craves, by first reading her and her needs. The more simple her mind the simpler her ideal.
    More sophisticated minds need more than the appearance of the idea(l), they need their mind to be enticed.

    This is also true of emasculated males - men-children. Feminized males.
    They crave a paternal idea(l).
    Nietzsche for many in this post-modern west is such a figure.
    He channels Hellenic masculinity, and adapts it to modern linguistics and imagery. He updates it.
    Where there are no male role-models worth shit, this is very attractive to males of a particular frailty and disposition, with particular needs/desires.

    Nietzsche's only contribution was diagnosis - psychology.
    This attracts males and females that find in his insights agreement, or power, because they cannot produce such insights. The insights are about the human herd. They are of a social utility.
    Humanity = world.
    The same types are also attracted to other psychologists, Jung, Machiavelli, that offer insights into how to manage themselves in environments dominated by humans.

    Philosophy becomes psychology, or the linguistics of romanticism and idealism.
    The world is no longer a factor, as it has been pushed to the periphery. All that remains is the world of men - artificial as I've already defined it.
    So linguistics reflects this shift from reality to politics - how to make your way in the human herd, or how to seduce, manipulate, manage, control, evade....the human animal, or yourself in realation to it.
    language no longer connecting to nature, but to sociopolitical, literati images, metaphors, allusions, that trigger specific emotions, sensations, reactions, in minds born and raised within specific memes.

    In the west, at this time these memes are nihilistic.
    Nihilism makes the perfect management tool.
    By detaching the mind from reality and attaching it to theory, you can manipulate it because ti lacks independence to perceive world directly, and so must go through a proxy - text, or an idol, a specific mentor that has translated the world for them.
    The mind cannot interpret reality, weather because it has never had to on its own (sheltering) or because reality is now buried beneath human artifices and is no longer accessible, outside documentaries.
    This is what it means to say that 'all is subjective and there is no objective reality'.
    It means the world can no longer be engaged directly, but it must be approached via a proxy mind - in text, in pop-art, through some idol....another mind, in other words.
    What is referred to cannot be perceived...it is always noetic, idealistic, theoretical.
    What can be perceived is dominated by human artifices - billboards, symbols, screeds, codes....matrices of code blanketing nature.
    Seeing world goes through the mitigating presence of code.
    See Baudrillard.
    The criteria for what is more probable to what is less so, change, from empirical, scientific, precedent, to seduction, manipulation of symbols, imagery and sensation triggering.
    Symbols refereeing and deferring to other symbols, that in turn refer to other symbols, in a looping circularity that creates a vague, symbolic whole - god.


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    There's only one way to begin cleaning the mind from the parasite. It has applied sediments over centuries of inculcation.

    You start from the linguistic conventional definition of the word.
    This has evolved to facilitate communication by limiting the use of symbols/words.

    Then you understand what symbols/words are: the mediating connector of mind/body (nervous system); the mediating connector of mind to physical, to the physical world.
    The connector of Idea(l) to Real.

    Then you attempt to find its reference in the world, beyond the mind.
    Not arbitrarily, but empirically.
    Words like 'human', like 'god', like 'morality', like 'love', like 'race'....and so on.

    What is the connection to reality of the word 'nature'?
    The sum of all energies interacting...is one.....the sum total of all living organisms interacting is a more discriminating second.
    To confuse the meanings intentionally indicates a motive other than clarity.

    Nature = sum of all nurturing.
    or
    Sum of all past interactions.
    The difference is memory.
    The first is a continuum connected by memory, the second is not.
    The first implies that the past still participates, to a degree, in the interactivity as disposition, as choice...that does not follow the path-of-lest-resistance, the second does.
    No Will....only power relationships are required to explain how patterned (order) and non-patterned (chaos)energies interact and move, as if, intentionally.
    A consciousness would project itself, or what it knows of itself, into it, to make it comprehensible.
    ancients projected themselves into natural phenomena to make them comprehensible...and so created spirits and/or gods.

    Nature refers to the past made present - presence.
    Appearance is the interpretation of this presence by consciousness.


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    The old is reinvented as new by replacing symbols/words with updated terms.
    Rename, re-brand, repackage, re-sell.
    Abrahamic one-God is dead?....rename and resell the same concept.
    Marxism is discredited?
    Rename and resell.

    How to sell abstract art?
    Same method used to sell nonsense.
    Artistic talent is replaced by marketing talent.
    The talent-less can now sell fART as profound to the gullible, the pretentious and the needy....and the hypocrite can sell philosophies to the imbeciles and the desperate and the cowards.
    It's all about the pitch....the spin.
    Make large gestures, promise the extraordinary....we'v seen commercials haven't we?
    Use a famous icon/idol as a representative, the ideal, of your product...choose one in relation to the target consumer group.
    Use pretty language, triggering symbols/words, convoluted sentences to imply what you cannot deliver.

    Milk the bovines dry.


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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:25 pm

    We children of Athenian verbosity forget the Doric wisdom...
    ΤΟ ΛΑΚΩΝΙΖΕΙΝ ΕΣΤΙ ΦΙΛΟΣΟΦΕΙΝ

    He who knows what he is talking about and understands what he is saying, having not parroted another's insights, can say the same thing in multiple ways....can express the same ideas using other words....one adding a slight nuance to a cohesive concept all can share and appreciate.
    But to say nothing using many words, or one word to hide nonsense in insinuations, is to expose your womanly mind and its base motives.
    For to be laconic is to call the gods to your side, and to say nothing is to seek refuge in Lethe, inflating shallow balloons with your hot exhale...fragile and light, ready for a prick.

    Having said that...let my continuing repetitions be the Ionian epigram to a nihilistic age full of empty chatter, by empty heads, echoing words like children playing with their toys.


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