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    Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:17 am

    Memes, ideals and ideologies, ways of reacting to world, emerge from genetic populations evolved within particular environments, establishing a specific attitude, psychological demeanour, made part of the populations innate spirit, over centuries of natural selection.
    Each population carries in its DNA its entire history. Its known and unknown interactions with environment.
    Its language is a manifestation of this history.

    Specific genes, evolved within specific environments, produce specific ideologies, attitudes.
    There is overlap, because the species precedes its fragmentation into different tribes, that migrated from common grounds into less hospitable ones.

    Memes are gene specific....and though they can be transmitted, through language, to other tribes, they are not understood exactly the same....they mutate in the transmission.

    What holds true for genes and their cycles, methods of reproduction, transmission, and so on, holds true for memes.
    As an example....genes have DNA, and memes have symbols/language.
    The transmission follows the same methods of genetic reproduction, only slightly modified.
    Language fertilizes the mind, where it gestates, combing with the host's own DNA and personal memories, experiences, and something is born in the synthesis.

    As there are compatible and incompatible genes, there are memes that harmonize and memes that conflict.....like Hellenism and Judaism.

    like there are genetic practises, viruses, there are memetic version behaving in similar ways.




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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:17 am

    Coincidental that Moses gave us the Ten Commandments, for our social ethical necessities to establish a working stable unity, exceeding Triver's relationships limits... and coincidentally Jesus, or more precisely Saul, were both of the same tribes and they invented a European version of Judaism, Judaism for the Pagans...and later Marx, invented a secular, socioeconomic, version of Christianity minus God, replacing God by the State... and coincidentally the Frankfurt School that invented post-modernity, that assaults the foundations of European identity, were also from the same tribe, and Wittgenstein who assaulted language is also of the same tribe, and on a closer setting ironic that VO that reinvents Christianity by replacing 'love' with 'value' to associate it with Nietzsche, and his use of 'power', the one who demolished the psychological underpinnings of Abrahamsim, was also the brain-child of a half-blood member of the same tribe, and Sauwelios his aid and prophet uses Strauss, of the same tribe, to redefine Nietzsche in accordance with Abrahamic ethics.
    All very coincidental.

    I can see no connecting pattern, and no underlying motive.
    I'm reminded of the parable of the fox and the scorpion crossing the river.....
    The virus infects the host, and kills it, despite the fact that this means it will die as well. But it's in its nature to do so. It's part of its cycle, from birth, infection of host, (proselytizing) multiplication....and then back to its dormant state as words on a page in a book.
    A memetic virus.
    A parasite that hijacks the host's mind, and converts it to a mindless zombie behaving in self-destructive ways.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:04 am

    An example of how parasites reduce the host to a walking-dead zombie...


    A brief overview of how parasites infect the host and convert it into a zombie.


    This is parallel to how memetic parasites behave.
    They infect the host through the nervous system, its brain, in the form of symbols/language.
    The hosts thinking is dominated by the parasite. It floods the body with pleasure triggering chemicals, to calm its resistance and make it more malleable to its control.
    The primary motive of the memetic parasite is to spread to other minds.
    We see a proselytizing drive in all nihilistic memes.
    Language is how the parasite is transmitted from mind to mind.
    In its dormant state it is text, in a book - linguistic code.
    The symbols trigger specific reactions. The host has to be educated, trained, to associate the symbols with specific imagery, other words, concepts....non of which refer to reality.
    Words detached from world.
    Words referring to other words...to ideas in the mind that have no external references. Self-referential, oftentimes self-consistent - solipsistic.


    Such as the detachment of the word 'god' from its references to natural processes, or the detachment of the word 'morality, from its survival utility, or the word 'humanity' from its reproductive meaning.
    The words becomes pure idea(l)....and this is sometimes called its sanctification, its conversion to Divinity.
    Only the idea(l) can remain perfect, untested, unsoiled by pragmatism, forever whole,a s abstraction, forever clean, only failing because of human failings.
    The idea detached from reality is Divine.
    As abstraction it is vague an so it can claim to be whole, one, or creative since it can be synthesized,a t will, wit other ideals.
    It has no natural order to limit its creative fantasies.
    In the mind all is possible, Time/Space do not apply, syntax does not apply, you can combine the incompatible and justify them with vagueness and word-juggling obscurity.

    In the mind the mind is god.
    So power is associated with this transmission of this fabrication to other minds, taking control of them.
    With no external, empirical, reference the infected host becomes dependent on other minds to affirm its newfound idealistic convictions.
    Nihilism needs quantities to spread and expand its range of power, because it can only affect minds that can use symbols and be trained to react to them in specific ways.

    We can consider the detachment of money, as a symbol for resources, from the gold standard as part of its conversion to a divine idea(l), that can now mean anything.....it has become pure psychology.
    No tangible world to limit its abstract utility. It can now be used to compensate for natural inadequacies - erasing, usurping the past...at least in theory.
    Is it any wonder that modern man is obsessed with money?



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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:12 am

    In the past genetic inheritance went hand-in-hand with memetic continuance.

    The homogeneity of the group ensured that whatever shared values, principles, morals, ideals, ideas, were passed on they were always common, no matter who the father was.
    The female was, and is, the carrier of tradition. She adds nothing, subtracts nothing and remains totally loyal to it.
    Females never experiment, because they are attracted to stability, order (masculinity) which ensures their value and the value of their offspring.
    Male order offers them stability, social peace.
    A predictable space to exploit their natural talents.

    A female will always defend whatever masculine power she is seduced by early on.
    This is why a mother is the "heart" of a family, and why females take so easily to institution or cultures.
    She will never challenge the status quo, or question its premises, but only act to preserve and to enhance them...to her benefit.

    The male, on the other hand, is the one who must challenge authority, if he is to pass on his own genes.
    He is disruptive to the status quo.

    To prevent this masculine proclivity from tearing apart tribes the technology of marriage, based on the principle of monogamy, was invented. This turned the "free-radical" males into investors in the group's welfare.
    This in homogeneous groups, where all the males shared in a genetic inheritance but, more so, shared in common values, ideals, and ideas.

    This is not the case today.
    Modernity, as a continuance of the universal Christian dogma, is a Meme which wishes to incorporate divergent genetic lines, peoples carrying different values, principles, ideas and ideals, into one uniform, stable, whole.
    To accomplish this it must eliminate the natural connections and identifications....and so it must eliminate the carriers of such codes: males.
    Females will fall in line easily...and in time they will become vehement defenders of whatever is popular, and current.
    For a female it is an easy affair: what is dominant today, in her time and place, is superior...therefore it will be defended for it promises stability and establishes order within which a female can carry out her role as nurturer and mother.

    But there is another breed of female. One which is more aware, more intelligent, more discriminating than the average.
    For her the present, the popular, is not automatically superior to the past or the unpopular.
    She knows the difference between quantity and quality.
    For such a female breeding with an average man would be like breeding with an ape...even if he belongs, theoretically, to her race and her bloodline.
    If the male carries the principles and values of Modernity, then he is an emasculated male....which may be similar to her, Genetically, but has nothing in common with her Mimetically.

    Feminization has progressed so far in our time that genetic lineage is not a guarantor of mimetic lineage.
    There has been a rupture between the past and the present, now projected as a Utopian future.

    Take the modern Greeks.
    They are infected with Judeo-Christian morals, ideals, values...and have little to do with the Hellenes they are descendents of.
    In fact they, most of them, are the antithesis to them.
    It is possible today to find more real Greeks outside modern Greece...Nietzsche was more of a Greek than they are.

    Memes are how cultures are propagated.
    Genes pass on a potential that may or may not be realized to its fullest, but it does not guarantee that the ideals that sprung from a particular genetic pool will find fertile ground in a mind infected with modern nihilism.
    This is particularly true in a world where the inferior male, and female, has been given the "right" to pass on genes which may not be representative of the group's best qualities.

    The nihilistic infection works from the bottom up. It infects the rabble, the lowest element sin a group.
    It is a meme that has appeal across genetic lines, because it seduces the basest elements in the species...now reproduced due to the absence of natural culling, becoming increasingly numerous, drowning out the qualities which inspired the emergence of a tribe.
    This universalization of weakness, of meekness, cannot be combated by remaining stuck in tribal qualifications.

    Memetic warfare is one performed on a noetic level.
    A shared meme must find its fighters from among a larger genetic pool.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:13 am

    Where memes develop, evolve, organically: gradually emerging out of the (inter)activity of a population with the given environment, resulting in ideas, ideals, morals, principles, social behaviours, hierarchies and traditions....there are some that follow a reverse path.
    There are some which begin as an idea, ideal, infecting the segments of a population feeling vulnerable or victimized by this (inter)action between population and environment, and seeking for an alternative which might overturn the hierarchies established.

    Whereas memes begin humbly and then spread, if they are strong enough, across tribal and generation boundaries, these last types of memes begin as universal, transcendental, appeals to the lowest parts of the group's nature.
    They are not restricted because they are instantaneously universal, as they seduce the fear and the sexual need present in all mammals, instead of appealing to the higher brain, the noble part of human nature.

    This makes them worldly...cosmopolitan...and deeply nihilistic.
    If such a meme is successful it may gain power...and attempt to turn its ideology into a pragmatic phenomenon; turn its mimetic appeal into a genetic fact.
    Here resentment finds an outlet in mimicry. It begins from lowly origins but then aspires to be like the memes it infected, in effect contradicting itself.
    Zionism is an example of this process.

    But the segments that remain true to their origins try to destroy the rightist elements amongst them...the elements preaching exclusivity....the special nature of this burgeoning tribe, not yet fully so.
    Exclusivity or the denouncement of mixing is considered detrimental and contradictory to the essence of the nihilistic meme.
    Therefore we have a further universality which does away with more than just race and sex, but attempts to destroy the boundaries of tribes and nationalities and religious doctrine.

    The nihilistic meme morphs into a secular version, no longer hindered by the restrictions of religion or nationalism.
    Marxism is an example of this.

    But the all leveling meme exposes its anti-life, anti-world attitude because if ti follows through with its own logic, extinction will be the result....beginning with anti-species...with the redefinition of family and of what sexuality and sex are.
    At this point homosexuality will not be the only sexual mutation that gains social acceptance, but a variety of sexual mutations will also become acceptable.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:46 am

    Contact between two incompatible memes, like Hellenism and judaism could not have produced cross-contamination.
    On the Hellenic side is produced Christianity.
    On the Jewish side it resulted in a splintering into three indicts groups.

    1- Orthodox Jewry - True to the original dogma awaiting Armageddon.
    2- Political Jewry - Zionism - return to tribal, before the meme Judaism was invented by the genetic type Semite, by plagiarizing Egyptian Death cults and Persian Zoroastrianism.
    3- Cultural Jewry - also called cultural Marxism, and post-modernity. The strategy of eliminating all memetic and genetic designations to make the world safe for the chosen victims.

    Cultural and Social Jewry overlap.
    Judaism was not an original concept, it was an amalgamation of existing ones, and an inversion that became seductive to the world's slaves, the desperate, the lost, the ill.....every tribe's riff-raff.
    So seductive, in fact, the Jews had to end proselytizing to preserve their position as the ultimate victims - the elite of victimhood. The chosen, by God to suffer on his behalf.
    In their one-God their rejection by all other tribes was sublimated into a positive. Shame became shameless pride. Rejection became chosen.

    This denial of salvation is something the slaves of other tribes never forgave. Resentment of Jews is rooted in this denial. Spiritual elitism. the irony of Jewish power - power built on selling weakness, pride built on selling humility.  
    There's a misconception that Jews are smarter, on average than Europeans...but this measures linguistic intelligence, not spatial intelligence, where they score average.
    That is why they dominate anything having to do with language - religion, politics, sociology, psychology etc, and you do not see any of them dominating athletics of engineering, or anything that demands spatial awareness.
    Feminization. This spatial inadequacy is also true of females, as is feminine linguistic prowess. Circumcision symbolizes this emasculation.
    Abrahamism converts males into representations, stand-ins, of the one and only true male.
    McDonald includes them along with Gypsies, Quakers, and expatriate Chinese, and others, as belonging to groups practicing specialized reproductive strategy.
    They were elitist, breeding their priests with their wealthy members to preserve and reproduce marketing intelligence.

    Inversion involves taking the real, the experienced and flipping it on its head.
    This is easy in the mind, and impossible outside of it. In the mind that world on binary 1/0 inversion is a matter of abstracting the negative to the positive.  
    They could then sell it with their superior linguistic skills. Nihilism, as I've said is a mental virus that only exists, or can exist, in the mind.
    Therefore, it can only affect humans, and use them as agencies to then attempt to engage reality. It uses others as proxies - zombiefied mindless automatons infected with the pleasing mind-inversion of their ideas.
    Verbal manipulation and exploitation using symbols.  

    The idea must be sold using pleasing, hopeful, positive words.
    Something the desperate mind can be seduced by.

    Vulnerability to the virus increases in overpopulated areas, with resource stresses, and in times of cultural decline.
    We see this in the spread of Christianity from the catacombs to become a dominating dogma, and in the east with Buddhism that had to offer an alternative to the Hindu caste system to preserve internal cohesion and harmony.
    In times of cultural decline, and decay, as the one we are in at the moment, is characterized by the emergence of Messiahs, prophets, promising grand supernatural extraordinary things using words.
    the feeble, the ignorant, the desperate gravitate to them because of their loss in identity, hope, meaning.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:48 am

    What is for DNA the genetic code, the nucleotide (A-T-C-G)...is for the meme the symbol - the letters of the alphabet, strung in sequences to produce a memory that, if triggered, can lead to an act, an interactivity.
    Technologies are externalizations of man's understanding of himself, and his own physical processes. This is accomplished by converting them to mathematical code. This code can now be transferred to another medium, like metal, marble, or electromagnetism, light etc.
    DNA and RNA sequences are the genetic equivalent memetic words sequenced into sequences...transmitting, fertilizing data or memetic code to an other mind....fertilizing it.

    ---The Word
    The spoken and written word is, for the average nihilist, the ingredient constructing sheltering, cocooning, metaphor.
    The word is the fabric that binds him and protects him from the world – against the world he has the word, though it be, love, happiness, Jesus, Marx, equality, fairness, justice, unity, oneness, humanity, as the binding words and have, evil, discrimination, injustice, suffering, fascism, Nazi, Hitler, Nietzsche, as the rejecting words.
    The words used define the shelter being constructed and its relation to reality.
    There are words who try to attach human conceptions to reality, to nature, and then there are words that try to detach man from them.
    The motive can be discerned in two ways: by how the word refers to a sensual phenomenon or defers to another human construct, and by the usage of the word, its place, its repetition, its emotional appeal, the imagery it produces.
    The more detached from reality a word is, the less it refers to the sensual but refers to other human construct, the more void of substance it is; the more empty it is.

    The words themselves need not be precisely defined, actually not defining them precisely makes them stronger in their emotional application, but they must be shared under the auspices of not only a common dictionary offering the word’s basic meaning, but, more importantly, under the authorities which lend the word gravitas, associate it with an emotion, an image, a construct, but also place it within a narrative.
    As such, the nihilist’s thinking always goes through these narratives, offered by famous, established, institutionally acknowledged, names – a name also being a word associated with a being, a face, which may or may not be present to accept or to reject the usage of his name and the narratives associated with it.
    The world is of a secondary affair, because all goes through words.
    The senses, already reduced to a cosmic lies, a trick only there to fool the nihilist, have also been surrounded by concealing, manmade, constructs – particularly in urban environments. Urbanization is growing environmental condition, and conditioning, and nihilism prevails amongst the bourgeois, raised within urban environments.
    For the nihilist all opinions of the world, of this fluid, dynamic, indifferent to human words and constructs, reality, must pass through narratives, associates, justifiably or not, with famous human figures: narrators of reality, using words.
    All conceptions of reality, now pushed into the distance of experience, must fall within established storylines.
    This is a convenient factor in the nihilist’s psychology, because once reality is reduced to words and narrations, it can be manipulated, purchased, sold, accepted or rejected, according to need; it is now a product to be express personal tastes.
    The original unyielding to human needs, indifferent, world has now become a word more easily manipulated and used.
    The reduction of reality, as a sensual experience, to a word, a conceptual construct begins with the creation of the word God.
    At that point the fluidity, dynamism, uncertainty, of reality, is linguistically formed into a static, absolute, symbol.
    From then on, the overturning of reality by using words becomes easy, particularly amongst the nihilists who have the least to be grateful for when it comes to their presence, their appearance, their reality.
    The words are not symbols for expressing reality, symbolizing and representing it, but little strings to be woven into a new skin; a new layer, a new garment, loose enough to include anybody, and strong enough to exclude the cold, harshness or all the unwanted aspects of reality.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:29 am

    The gene continuously adjusts itself to the environmental conditioning.
    This adjustment is not voluntary, not willed, but a matter of survival - self-maintenance.
    The world's (inter)activities, which we call environment, or Flux, forces the self-ordering emergent unity to adapt, because adjustment is an adaptation of the organism to the environmental circumstances.

    This constant adjustment is what produces mutations - the driving force of evolution - and it is this adjustment, this constant self-sustaining reaction to the world which makes of the word "self" not a static thing, or an absolute phenomenon (Being), but a dynamic, shifting Becoming, where the concept of a core, a center is no more than a reference to its past/nature which its adjustments are continuations of.
    To seek a core, a center, is to seek for an idea(l) that the mind believes is inside of it, and sometimes called spirit, and/or soul.
    Identity, and this Know Thyself, is a reference to this falling away past/nature, which is constantly updating itself in relation to the present, the apparent.

    It is in this continuous updating, adjusting, adapting, reaffirming self as a sum of past nurturing, where the cancerous genetic mutation arises, and in the context of mind, the memetic dis-ease of Nihilism takes root.
    It is a fatigue, a waning of energies, brought about by a decrease in virility (physical or mental), and a desire to end the continuity with a final end.
    This end may be imagines as a nil, an absolute chaos, of no-thingness, or as a one, an absolute order, of some-thingness.
    This waning of energies could be the result of a long life, or due to unhindered reproduction passing on feeble genetic strains, which are then seduced by memes sheltering and flattering these unfit genetic strains.

    Adaptation, as a (re)action to Flux, or to the incessant, ruthless, indifferent (inter)activity, is how the organism experiences stress.
    The stress upon its self-organizing is constant, and is interpreted as need when the energies at its disposal decrease to a level where it must take willful action, and is rises to the level of suffering, pain, when unable to replenish its waning energies the organism begins deconstructing, losing cohesion and diminishing in order, under the effects of attrition, caused by this (inter)activity.
    Pleasure is the gradual or sudden replenishment of said energies, experienced as relief, a momentary release from the experience of (inter)acting.

    When the energies of the organism exceed its requirements it is in a state of well-being. Energies can be directed to growth, creative/procreative expansion.
    This is the libidinal pressure which an also become stressful when the energies overwhelm the organism's capacity to contain them.
    This is the other side of need/suffering: the byproduct of self-maintenance, producing superfluous energies to a degree the organism cannot control, or process.
    It now needs to expel these energies.

    As with the gene, so with the meme.
    These social energies, a byproduct of successful self-maintenance, can become destructive to the SuperOrganism.
    War, and exploration, is one way to expunge them, another is decadence, a form of SuperOrganic masturbation.
    Unable to relieve its excess energies outwards, towards otherness, the SuperOrgansim (State, Nation, Tribe, society, Civilization) turns inward, finding relief in expelling these energies with Self.
    The process is unproductive, and it slowly grows to become solipsistic, self-referential, detached from reality as the community becomes self-absorbed, experimenting with self, by one's self.

    Everything from interpersonal relationships to art expresses this navel gazing, this self-gratifying release of libidinal energies with no pragmatic effect outside the SuperOrganic structure.
    Philosophy reflects this attitude.
    Subjectivity, hedonism with no goal other than pleasure itself, specialization resulting in institutionalized autism, language detaching the noumenon, it refers to, from the phenomenon it refers to, looping back to other noetic abstraction, are all symptoms of this state.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:33 am

    A meme that is in harmony with natural order, in other words with its own genetic past, will always have an advantage over nihilistic memes, or those that contradict natural order, and their genetic foundations, because the latter will always have to expend energies to maintain itself within a world that contradicts it - one such energy depleting intervention would be the lies it would have to fabricate and repeat, to itself.

    Inferior memes compensate for their inferior qualities with superior quantities.


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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:34 am

    Inferior genes produce inferior, less sophisticated, memes.
    This, by itself, means there is no conflict without a certain outcome, and that those who come from the inferior, cannot be completely integrated into the superior.

    The superior can adapt to the inferior. A man can adapt to chimpanzee group dynamics.
    The inferior cannot completely adapt to the superior, only partially and only by imitating what is, for it, incomprehensible.
    Chimpanzees cannot adapt to human systems, but can imitate humans without fully understanding them.

    The sophistication of the meme reflects the quality of the genetics that produced it, and of which they are an extension.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:06 am

    Morality is the adjustment of individual inclinations to group needs.
    A matter of genes adapting to memes.
    The process becomes problematic when the meme is nihilistic and the genes are forced to turn against themselves, but all memes impose restrictions upon genes.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:01 am

    A meme that is in harmony with natural order, in other words with its own genetic past, will always have an advantage over nihilistic memes, or those that contradict natural order, and their genetic foundations, because the latter will always have to expend energies to maintain itself within a world that contradicts it - one such energy depleting intervention would be the lies it would have to fabricate and repeat, to itself.

    Inferior memes compensate for their inferior qualities with superior quantities.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:01 am

    Nature knows no debate because animals have no perspectives that contradict natural order.
    Nature's 'debate' is conflict, and competition.
    Man can only externalize their genetic as techniques/technologies and can, in their mind, contradict or invert natural order.

    If no mitigating power intervenes then the outcome is inevitable - the superior perspective will replace the inferior one.


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    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:03 am

    Memetic conflicts or disagreements are resolved genetically.
    Cultures clash, ideas clash and they clash within world.
    Organisms, genetics, and their products, ideologies, perspectives, confront one another.
    The outcome is decided in the world, in other words the outcome is determined by their performance in world.
    There is no ambiguity in natural selection.
    Not all perspectives are equal and equally valid.
    If no mitigating force, like an institution, does not intervene there is no debate.
    Superior and inferior is determined by world - by nature.

    The European memes dominated because they were superior.
    Europeans had a superior understanding or perspective of world.
    This is why it is presently under attack by the slavish hordes....and the eternal victims.
    The parasite infects the dominant host and attempts to hijack its fitness.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:06 am

    As far as I know I am the first to have detected and defined the memetic virus and parasite.
    Because the subject is controversial and no field studies have been conducted I offer the genetic, or physical virus and parasite as an example the memetic type mimics.
    Meme is an imitation of the gene - the genetic past, converted to a imitation using mathematical binary and linguistic code.
    Language, and semiotics is the study of memetic memory, or the equivalent, in genetics, of DNA.

    The memetic virus is a synthesis of genetic virus and parasite.
    To understand both one has to study its cycles.

    Parasitical cycle...


    Replace DNA with symbols (semiotics)...language is is a symbolic construct referring to ideas - abstractions.
    Studying memetic DNA means the study of how language is used, how it mutates and reproduces itself, and how it carries memories from one mind to another.
    Culture is the equivalent to species, and a civilization or a nation is the equivalent to the organism.
    Therefore memetic code propagates the SuperOrganism we call culture, producing multiple versions, or organisms, we call states, or civilizations, or ethnos.

    SuperOrganism = Culture
    Organism = Nation, Ethnos, Civilization
    Cell = Individual

    GENE <> MEME

    Memes, like genes, do not merge out of nothing. No god creates them out of thin air.
    Like genes, memes are a manifestation of an genetic population with its environments - a relationship.
    It is built on memories, first and second hand, called knowledge & experiences.
    Genes pass on these memories as genetic code....memes pas them on using language, symbols.

    A virus is, therefore, an alien meme, a contradictory to the host meme, that infiltrates the host, through its senses, and eludes it autoimmune system, taking advantage of its weaknesses....this is why it infects the weakest the most vulnerable members of a population.
    To escape detection is mimics the host's own organization, and it hijacks its processes, through its cells - individuals.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Zoot Allures on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:24 am

    i recall seeing the term 'meme' when i read Dawkin's 'the selfish gene', and there are many more people who have contributed to the theory of memes, as well as provided criticism for it.

    if you are interested in pursuing this subject you should have a look at Lynch's seven patterns of meme transmission, and decide which of your own examples correspond to this scheme. it's not a bad arrangement and accounts very well for the different ways memes evolve. most of your own examples would probably fit somewhere into these categories.

    you can find them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:42 am

    Haven't seen Lynch's work.
    Now, I'm intrigued. I wonder if he wrote book on the subject.

    My positrons focus on nihilistic memes.
    I call them viral, or parasitic.
    They are detached from reality, in that they only refer to ideas, theories, through symbols/words.

    The infected host is made into a zombie. It no longer trusts its own senses. It can only connect its ideas to other ideas or its mind to other mind(s) (collectives).
    It needs a proxy, usually in the form of a text, like Scripture or some other text.
    Subjectivity is its principle since it rejects the existence of an objective reality.
    It judges not in relation to empirical data, but in relation to how many minds it can infect.
    It is almost always 'positive', pleasing, flattering, or hopeful....it offers power, love, or whatever the host needs/desires.
    It constructs inter-subjective communities of minds.

    The symbols/words it uses no longer connect the mind to the world, the idea(l) to the real, but it is self-referential, usually referring to a shared ideology symbolized and named.
    "External" means belonging to another mind. The indifferent, threatening, not so easily manipulated world is circumvented or engaged through an other.
    It uses convoluted language, jargon, corrupting the application of words and their place in a sentence sequences, to promote the sense of exclusivity, in-group identifiers.

    Lacking an external, to the mind, reference it compensates with word-games....speaking to impress, to confuse, circularly, giving the impression of depth, of offering profound insight when it is all gibberish.
    Symbols/words are chosen for their potential psychological effect, not for accuracy.
    It exploits psychology to infect.
    The host is usually a willing participant....like a hypnotists chooses the member of an audience that will hypnotize himself - that is most impressionable.
    The magician, simply becomes the triggering 'authority'. The host wants to believe and so he does - psychosomatic.
    Placebo effect.
    This is the host's vulnerability to the meme parasite.  

    Abrahamism has already prepared the hosts.....then came Marxism.....so they simply preach to the choir, and only change the words to update them....like a parasite/virus must evolve to compensate for the hosts' adaptive autoimmune system.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Zoot Allures on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:56 am

    https://www.sankinspeechimprovement.com/the-like-epidemic-using-word-like-excessively/

    the 'like' epidemic is an excellent example of how memetic speech patterns actually affect cognitive processes in a detrimental way. i call it a 'staller' word (the article calls it a 'filler')... the use of which causes the speaker to imperceptively lose concentration and direction in speech. the speaker reaches the word naturally when approaching a point in the semantic process that requires of them to explain something comprehensively. instead, the brain replaces the explanation with the word 'like', and the speaker avoids having to think.

    'so like, i dunno, it was just really frustrating'

    along with this statement could come an explanation for why it was frustrating, but instead, that part is passed. what the word 'like' is doing is substituting the explanation with a simpler statement of the case, only- that is was frustrating.

    another aspect of the use of this meme is that is engenders a subtle form of arrogance. the speaker hears themselves use the word and feels subconsciously satisfied that they are speaking in the way that others, who carry the meme, also speak. this happens very subtly. remember, the meme is adopted.. and it is adopted by a speaker only if they emulate the speakers in the group from which it was adopted.

    over the last twenty years i have heard new speech patterns involving new idioms that systematically dumb down the users of these patterns. it is as if the meme, acting as an intruder, take possession of those who are intellectually vulnerable to its propagation, and end up carrying it unwittingly.

    but this demonstrates, again, an already weakened and inferior physiology... these people are naturally selected and targeted by the meme. in others, those who are more intelligent, the meme cannot propagate.
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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:07 am

    Well, the triggering of reactions using symbols/words can feel empowering to the user.

    That's why I say that world, for them, means humanity.
    They feel vulnerable in relation to an indifferent, unconscious, not easily manipulated world, so they compensate by manipulating humanity using words and call this 'world'.
    They can only do this after they've manipulated themselves into this pleasing, self-referential, conviction.
    An effective deceiver is the one who has, first, deceived himself.  
    They cannot directly manipulate reality using words/symbols, but they can manipulate a host, using him as a proxy, that is in need for relief itself.
    Words take on the power of the magical.
    The mind wants to be mystified because the world is 'too much' or 'not enough'.

    Another thing I realized was that this private vulnerability, that then becomes a sense of self-aggrandizement, is always in relation to a famous icon/idol....like Jesus, or Nietzsche, or any famous dead icon that made an impact on their desired target audience.
    They covet the effect, but lacking the means, they imitate what was effective - ergo meme.
    They may imitate the wardrobe, the style, the vocabulary, tying to repeat the effect.
    They may become psychotic and believe they are this icon, or his reincarnation, or they may simply covet the icon's popularity, his effect on the desired audience.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:48 am

    To pinpoint the nihilistic parasite and to identify its particular strain you have to recognize it through its application of language.
    For example...the ancient Europeans used 'god' to refer to natural processes all could experience.
    Originally gods were their own dead. One prayed to his own ancestors who were, through DNA, apt of him. So he actually sought guidance from his subconscious memories.
    Plants were used to trigger spiritual experiences...which were noting more than the conscious mind being numbed enough to permit these subconscious memories to become lucid.

    Nihilism takes the word and detaches it from this pragmatic reference and converts it to an idea/ideal with no references, except in the mind.
    In the mind memories can be synthesized and many creative ways - natural order does not inhibit the mind from fantasizing.
    God becomes code for idea(l), or for the absolute which is nowhere but in the mind as abstraction. A representation of the mind's inversion of experiences, or their recombination in more pleasing ways....often expressing internal needs/desires. World as indifferent threat, become a world of caring, benevolence or a consciousness that can be reasoned with.
    Vagueness becomes mystery....the absolute's mystification.
    Language is now subjectified.
    It no longer refers to the experienced but to anything the mind can fabricate.

    Philosophy becomes psychology...and by extension it becomes politics.
    Instead of exploring world, it explores man's reaction to world.
    Words project this reaction.
    So, God is now projected as a psychologically founded abstraction of a desired man, the ideal man.
    A man that can never be, because he is a synthesis that detaches the species homo sapient from the ideal man.
    That's why Marxism failed and why Abrahamism survives by self-contradicting, or by mystifying - by deceiving using symbols.
    It must lie....deceive itself and its followers.  
    The needy mind wants to be deceived, finding the world intolerable, so it willingly participates in its own deception.

    World with no 'god' is code for world with no absolutes: no immutable, indivisible, whole; no certainty, no finality, no end and no beginning.  
    'God is dead' means the old version of the deceit, the old absolute, has been discredited....and a new one must be invented.
    How does one invent an absolute?
    Easy....you take the experienced and invert it....then you use a pleasing, or empowering, a seductive, symbol/word, and you sell it as you would any product: great promises, extraordinary claims, hyperbole.
    To succeed you sell it to a specific target group.
    You use words/symbols specifically meant to trigger specific types.

    Of course after generations of Abrahamic brainwashing, and Marxist success, the masses are primed for something along the same lines. The recipe of what has worked is sampled, repackaged, renamed synthesized with what defeated it, and then resold to the same types.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:31 am

    The superior can understand the inferior, and can adapt to it, if it so wills, and dominate it.
    The inferior cannot understand the superior, and therefore cannot adapt to it. It can only imitate and/or submit to it.
    It follows that a culture, an ethos, a meme born of a genetically superior mind cannot be adopted by an inferior one, but only superficially imitated, and under the force of penalty (coercion) or the promise of reward (seduction) be forced to submit to principles incomprehensible to it.
    For this reason a culture cannot be adequately transferred from a superior, in potentials, population to an inferior, in potentials, population.
    Memes are gene specific, because they are the product of a particular genetic potential, cultivated within a particular environment, across the span of particular events and circumstances. This history, known and unknown, cannot be transferred to a different population, cultivated under different environmental circumstances and having experienced different events.
    A culture can be adapted to by an inferior population by imitating its superficial expressions but, because it is the product of history it cannot be entirely internalized, lacking the psychology this history produced in the population that created the culture.


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    Re: Genes <> Memes

    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:44 am

    Morality is the adjustment of individual inclinations to group needs.
    A matter of genes adapting to memes.
    The process becomes problematic when the meme is nihilistic and the genes are forced to turn against themselves, but all memes impose upon the genes restrictions.


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