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    Satyr's Sanitarium

    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:26 am

    Navigating the midfield of the human condition.


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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:32 am

    Abraham's Example
    A man that has lost contact with his own traditions, his very identity, through his own father, seeks in others a replacement paternal tradition and masculine grounding.

    Lacking self-love he looks to strangers and alien spirituality for a reason to love himself. For a reason to appreciate himself.
    Such a psychology will turn against his own people, his own family, his own heritage if the strange other offers an exaggerated compensation equal to his need.
    Unable to find the courage to evaluate himself before his own kind, he will prefer the extraordinary claims of the exotic.
    The honest real will pale in relation to the ideal lie.

    Such a man-child will turn against his own blood to prove himself worthy of this supernatural ideal.


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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:41 am

    Survival as Highest Value
    Who but a man desperately clinging to his life, would make self-preservation, survival, a universal goal, shared by the living and the nonliving?
    Who other than a man with no roots in existence would make existence reflect his secret insecurity, projecting the need as a universal law validated only by words expressing his internal need?

    Making survival a noble cause makes bacteria superior to man.
    Only man, among a few other organism, can place an idea an other, above his own survival, and refuse to do anything for one more minute of life.
    Only man would rather die than live like a worm.


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    Re: Satyr's Sanitarium

    Post by Zoot Allures on Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:08 pm

    this thread needs a soundtrack.

    (this used to be our anthem when we (the other kids and i) were locked up in the mental institution (dorthea dix hospital) back in 87-89)
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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:10 pm

    Zoot Allures wrote:this thread needs a soundtrack.

    (this used to be our anthem when we (the other kids and i) were locked up in the mental institution (dorthea dix hospital) back in 87-89)
    None of this applies to you. It's for the human herd.
    You're special.


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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:04 pm

    Psychology is the study of the relationship of nervous system, including brain, with the body (esoteric), and with the world (exoteric).
    As such symbols/words (semiotics) are central to its study.
    Psychotherapy uses words to decipher dreams, riddled with ambiguous, metaphoric imagery, and to rationalize (order) irrational behaviours, actions that have disconnected from a shared reality.

    Language, metaphors, symbols are central to it.
    How words are used, how the individual understands them, what imagery, emotions, sensations, are triggered by them, if they refer to a shared experience of world, relating to observable phenomena, or refer to internal noetic abstractions, with varying degrees of connections to the outside world.


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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:54 pm

    Superstition, built on linguistics, self-hypnosis, and self-deceit, is what the mind turns to when what is revealed and experienced fills it with anxiety, and any explanation, no matter how far-fetched and self-serving, is better than none at all.
    Anxiety cannot tolerate the unknown.
    It must make it known, even if it is by simply naming it - giving it a symbol.


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    Post by Satyr on Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:58 pm

    In times of cultural decline, hypocrites and thieves rejoice.


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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:52 am



    Those who are the most certain, who make the most extraordinary claims, those who think of themselves highly, are those who have the least to be certain and proud of.
    Narcissism is its own threat....like stupidity is its own defence.
    In philosophy this 'appeal to authority' is a form of association. The individual associates himself with someone who is almost divinely infallible, or is so superior that only a few can truly understand him. They promote this magical aura that should be mistaken for genius.
    I've said that for a simpleton the above average seems magical, mystical....and this can be used as  a tactic: the mystification of a subject or an individual implies his incomprehensible genius.
    A simpleton can mystify himself, to give the impression that he is so above the norm that only a few can truly understand him.
    Ironically, in most cases, the only minds that 'get him' are simpletons, and if he ever tries to clarify the cloud of mystification he has surrounded himself with, his ideas, his mind, is exposed as something common and mediocre.

    The more aware you are, the more you know and understand, the more humble you become.
    Each level of understanding exposes you to more complexity and variables.
    The connection of patterns, we call meaning, becomes an intricate weave.
    Many becomes stuck in it, tied up in Gordian knots they refuse to cut.
    Matrices of patterns that loop, into beautiful tapestries of self-referential circularity, leading nowhere beyond the mind/body.
    An enveloping, noetic womb of data fabric, cocooning the mind in its comforting warmth.


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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:07 am

    With no god men begin worshipping other men with the same fervour.
    Idealism replaces superstition, and, in accordance with natural selection, some separate from the throng, dominating their inferiors, declaring themselves gods, or earthly representations of the divine, and the rest worship it through him.
    Intelligence has always seemed divine to those who do not possess it.
    The superior can understand the inferior, but the inferior can only feel superiority like a mysterious godly presence, and a powerful magical force.

    Devout followers, and passionate believers, can be found among those that call themselves atheist.
    Scripture believers can be found among those who have replaced the Bible with a new text.

    There are leaders and there are followers, one needing the other.
    The leaders want to worship themselves through others, and the followers, having no immediate reference point to guide them, and no courage to stand alone, need an idol and an icon to direct their wills and to comfort their fears.


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    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:53 am


    Nihilists are trapped between a reality they dislike and are terrified by, and chaos which they crave to destroy an order that shames them, but is worse because it is death.
    So we have the pure nihilist who embraces death, and oblivion, but cannot stand the idea that he will die while others will live; that he could never find anything good in life, whereas others do.
    he concludes that those who like life must either be living a privileged existence or are lying.
    He becomes cynical.
    Then we have the positive nihilist who deals with the conundrum with pretenses and lies, beginning with himself.
    He turns inward and calls it a deeper reality. He inverts and declares it the truth beneath illusions.
    He projects his hopes to the beyond and the occult, the forever above and the forever below, the hyper-real, and the hypo-real, and calls that the hidden Real.
    He lies to himself, and to make the life more convincing he lies to others, converting them to supporters of his lie.
    He lies because the world is 'not enough', or 'too much'; he lies to cope.
    He becomes bold with his lies, if it is convincing to the feeble and the gullible, and so he settles for living a lie, and forgetting himself in it.


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    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:26 am

    Only a halfwit would consider the friendship of a dimwit something to be proud of.
    The witless find in one another a witty support.


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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:25 pm

    How can a mind think outside its own modes of thinking?
    Art.
    Art alludes to what the mind cannot fully grasp.
    This makes art both useful and dangerous.


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    Re: Satyr's Sanitarium

    Post by Satyr on Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:34 am



    Listen to this conversation all the way to the end.
    He says ' there are no things, only processes'....and patterns.
    Exactly!!!!
    There are only patterns and, chaos, is their absence....dynamic process that lacks a pattern, has no rhythm, no repeating consistency.
    But, in the organism chaos refers to the right-side and vagueness, complexity, hidden order. This is the mystical.
    Occult, hidden, order.  
    God, the concept, is not a Being, it is a Becoming. So it cannot be omnipotent, omniscient, perfect, complete, one....it is process. It is only conceptualized as such, because that's how the mind can conceptualize.  


    Left hemisphere is ordering, reasoning, the Apollonian.....the right is sensing, emoting, feelings, intuition, chaos, Dionysian.

    Psychological types gall into this balance....some more left leaning, and others more right leaning....the Hellenic balance would be in the ambiguous, shifting middle.
    Right thinking is Top<>Down....Abrahamic.
    It exploits the left side's submission and recruits it to validate its sensations, its vagueness, its imagery, emotions intuitions; it implores it to invent a lingo to accommodate it....it is religious.
    Left thinking is Bottom<>Up....Realistic, Aryan.
    It exploits the right's submission and recruits it to give passion to its stringent, cold reasoning....it uses metaphors to imply an order on the periphery, on the edges.....because order is always incomplete, unfinished.
    Ordering, similar to becoming.

    Chaos for the right hemisphere is not random, it is complexity, the occult, the hidden.
    An organism cannot conceptualize randomness; cannot integrate it into its emerging unity.
    In this case order/chaos designate degree of lucid and non-lucid order.
    God is associated with the right side.
    Atheists are left brained....for the most part.
    So are Aryans....their deities are observable, experienced, they refer to natural forces, or natural processes.
    In Aryanism the right is dominated by the left, whereas for Abrahamism, and Nihilists, in general, the left is dominated by the right.
    Hellenism is a balance leaning to the left - chaos under control. Dionysus under Apollo.

    McGilchrist surprised me....he's someone I've never hear of before.
    I stood up and listened more intently around 16:12...He, like I, 'embraces uncertainty'.
    I've always talked about degrees or probabilities and not absolutes.
    Everything McGilchrist said I agreed with. I must look into him more.
    At 19:00 I almost spit out my coffee....he repeated my metaphysics exactly.
    "There are no things" ...."patterns".
    Music is the truest form of art. It is sonic patterns with none of that corrupting effect of language, symbols, forms.
    Very Schopenhauerrean....all is like a symphony.
    Flowing....Heraclitus.

    Play of opposites is a very organic way of symbolizing the cosmic....patterns interact.....and they interact in a degree of agreement/disagreement, harmony/disharmony....or attraction/repulsion.
    Dualism is the organism placing itself (subjective) at some shifting centre, and then evaluating all else in relation to itself. So it must think in binary ways..... in relation to the objective, which is the world, or cosmos.
    Matter/Energy are divided along that cognitive, subjective line.
    There are, in fact, no opposites....because there is no static point in space/time and all divisions are subjective.
    There is only an interplay of degrees of harmony/disharmony, patterned and non-patterned energies interacting.  


    Philosophy has to be considered from this perceptive....from psychology.
    Only then can the mind perceive itself perceiving....and recognize its language and metaphors for what they are.
    Then you can distinguish the tool form the art, and the art from the world.
    Realizing how the art, of physics, metaphysics, idealism, is shaped by the tool of language, can differentiate it from its objective - the world itself.


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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:00 am

    Prejudice using negative as a positive, to justify every and any absurdity on the grounds that no absolute knowledge exists, is accompanied with the prejudice towards the negative, that considers any and every analysis and judgment that is negative, towards the individual, an unnecessary and undesirable commentary, since world is always positive towards the positive Nihilist, or ought to be approached as such, from the standpoint of the negative.

    The contradiction is evident.
    Mystification triggering emotions, covers it up.


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    Post by Satyr on Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:33 pm

    What's left to the coward but the last desperate act of gathering his teeth and proudly wearing them around his neck as evidence of the passions he sparked with his chatter.


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    Post by Satyr on Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:52 am

    When the herd is panicked it fights, only when cornered, and flees in every other circusmtnace.
    The hunter follows from a discreet distance.
    He covers his scent with the herd's excrement, and wears the herd's skin to hide his appearance.

    If the hunter develops husbandry he no longer has to go to such extremes.
    He empathizes with the herd he feeds on, and the herd begins to identify with the one who cultivates and harvests them.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:42 am

    Before the burning world, fool and liar find, in each other, a cold ally.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:43 am

    When heavy feet crush delicate stems, and needy fingers pluck beautiful flowers, severing the bond to their roots, from where they draw sustenance, a gift is expected from one's self.

    Sometimes the only gift, of value, you can give another is your absence.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:45 am

    When insanity becomes a norm the irrational seems rational, the truly sane should remain close to the doors.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:46 am

    Actor's Talent
    Humans can imitate chimpanzees convincingly, if they have talent; a chimpanzee cannot imitate a human convincingly.
    At least not to humans.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:47 am

    When world stands in the way towards our goals, we deflate, shrinking to a size that will be undetectable, trying to slip through the crevices, or we inflate to a size that can help us step over what is blocking our path.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 am

    An old man has overcome the passions of his naive youth, when they no longer move him, but only fill him with nostalgia for times and places he no longer wishes to revisit.


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    Post by Satyr on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:59 am

    Fool's Revelation
    As much reason, logic, eloquence, intellectual acumen, a fool brings to bear when he desperately wants to dismiss what threatens him, when he cynically denounced what another believes, is exposed as an imitated reaction pretending to be the equal of what it cannot match, when he dares to openly share what he believes.
    At that fatal moment to his contrived image he exposes the depth of his true essence, hiding behind copied defences.


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