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    Zero_Sum Introduction.

    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:47 pm

    Good to see you as a free man again Zoot, can you guess who I am? Cool

    By the way, you were correct that every anarchist eventually transforms into a fascist or autocrat. I believe you said something on the lines of anarchists being fascists in overalls or similar to that effect. Never lost sight of that comment of yours as it has always stuck with me.


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    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:57 pm

    zero sum wrote:Good to see you as a free man again Zoot.

    it'd be more accurate to describe me as 'less restricted' than 'free'.

    zero sum wrote:Can you guess who I am?


    no, because i know who you are.

    zero sum wrote:By the way, you were correct that every anarchist eventually transforms into a fascist or autocrat.

    don't give me too much credit. i have been wrong before... like six other times in my life.

    zero sum wrote:I believe you said something on the lines of anarchists being fascists in overalls or similar to that effect. Never lost sight of that comment of yours.

    i believe it was 'an anarchist is a closet fascist', but i like yours better. a fascist in overalls. lol.





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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:01 pm

    I said anarchism is a delusion....a variant of Marxism.
    An anarchist is a victim waiting for someone smarter to organize and rape him...if he does not contradict his own principles.
    Like Christians. If they live in accordance with their own values, they die...or Buddhist monks...or feminists.



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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:03 pm

    Zoot Allures wrote:
    zero sum wrote:Good to see you as a free man again Zoot.

    it'd be more accurate to describe me as 'less restricted' than 'free'.

    zero sum wrote:Can you guess who I am?


    no, because i know who you are.

    zero sum wrote:By the way, you were correct that every anarchist eventually transforms into a fascist or autocrat.

    don't give me too much credit. i have been wrong before... like six other times in my life.

    zero sum wrote:I believe you said something on the lines of anarchists being fascists in overalls or similar to that effect. Never lost sight of that comment of yours.

    i believe it was 'an anarchist is a closet fascist', but i like yours better. a fascist in overalls. lol.






    Living in this country we're all more or less restricted than free anymore. We're all constantly learning and changing our opinions as we get older also.

    At any rate the old anarchist that was me is long gone as I see merely as being a mistake of youthful naivety. I am all about national socialist autocracy now. I figure you already knew who I was lurking behind ILP.

    Well, I specifically remember the overalls comment being your comment not mine.
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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:05 pm

    From one extreme to the other.....still waiting for the end of the world.
    Pussy can do that to you.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:07 pm

    Satyr wrote:I said anarchism is a delusion....a variant of Marxism.
    An anarchist is a victim waiting for someone smarter to organize and rape him...if he does not contradict his own principles.
    Like Christians. If they live in accordance with their own values, they die...or Buddhist monks...or feminists.


    Assuming you're the real Satyr from KnowThyself and not somebody pretending to be him here, yes you were correct on that assertion. I now thoroughly see the error of my beliefs when I was much younger.


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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:08 pm

    I'm always pretending to be myself.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:11 pm

    Satyr wrote:From one extreme to the other.....still waiting for the end of the world.
    Pussy can do that to you.

    Not the end of the world, I see several global catastrophes compounding on top of each other fostering a global catastrophic event that will completely throw western civilization into chaos and from that chaos the opportunity to create a better new world from its ruins.
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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:13 pm

    Making new errors.....you'll learn.
    We all have our own speeds.

    Masta call me Saturday, but mees like Sunday.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:16 pm

    Satyr wrote:Making new errors.....you'll learn.
    We all have our own speeds.

    Masta call me Saturday, but mees like Sunday.

    New errors, such as? Yeah, that was a typo due to the autocorrect format of my keyboard here using a touch screen pad.
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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:19 pm

    Another...error.
    *tsk *tsk

    Well, this is the place to make plenty of mistakes.
    The third was you coming here....the second was you staying there...
    Even rats abandon ship at some point.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:24 pm

    Satyr wrote:Another...error.
    *tsk *tsk

    Well, this is the place to make plenty of mistakes.
    The third was you coming here....the second was you staying there...
    Even rats abandon ship at some point.

    Riddles yet no specificity. Can you be more specific?
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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:29 pm

    I've made mistakes, in my youth, as well.
    My biggest was the one that hurt the most, and was the hardest to overcome.

    My mistake was I wasn't as discriminating as I could have been, as I ought to have been.
    That was eons ago.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:33 pm

    Satyr wrote:I've made mistakes, in my youth, as well.
    My biggest was the one that hurt the most, and was the hardest to overcome.

    My mistake was I wasn't as discriminating as I could have been, as I ought to have been.
    That was eons ago.

    Yes, we've all made mistakes and I've certainly made my share of them.

    I try to not dwell on the past however as I am all about the future.

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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:58 pm

    I never forget the past.
    If I do....I repeat it.

    This is why existence is cyclical. It has no memory.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:02 pm

    Satyr wrote:I never forget the past.
    If I do....I repeat it.

    This is why existence is cyclical. It has no memory.

    Existence has no memory but we certainly do as people. My memory is quite thorough and I never forget.


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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:06 pm

    Therefore life is different from the dead and the lifeless because it has memory.

    Two things that make it antagonistic to existence:
    1- it is order in Flux, including randomness.....and 2- it has memory in forgetfulness; in what lacks memory of past, it is the past made present.

    Let's see if we can find some more differences between life and the non-living.


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    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:07 pm

    zero sum wrote:At any rate the old anarchist that was me is long gone as I see merely as being a mistake of youthful naivety.

    no kidding. how ironic. i was telling saully a while back how when i met you, i was a communist and you were an anarchist. then while in prison (first bid), i became a fascist, and you became a communist. then in prison (second bid), i became an anarchist and you became a fascist.

    that's some funny shit, man.

    so yeah, i've given up on humanity. i've traded my fasces for a max stirner leather overcoat. i don't give a damn about nothin' but my own ego. it's all about ME now, zero. hey, i tried man. i gave fifteen years of my life to studying the phenomena of man (which is equal to like thirty years for the average thinker), only to find that i couldn't apply any of it to save man from himself. so fuck em.

    a stirnerite isn't a political anarchist like the anarcho-syndicalists or anarcho-communists or any other brand like that. we are PURE anarchists who renounce government not because we believe no government would be better for men, but because only the individual governs himself. we couldn't care less what is better for 'men', only 'man', only the individual. and insofar as we remain social, we wish to form a union with other voluntary egoists. the rest are chasing 'spooks', as max put it, and are dismissed.




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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:09 pm

    Satyr wrote:Therefore life is different from the dead and the lifeless because it has memory.

    Two things that make it antagonistic to existence:
    1- it is order in Flux, including randomness.....and 2- it has memory in forgetfulness; in what lacks memory of past, it is the past made present.

    Let's see if we can find some more differences between life and the non-living.

    The problem lies in the multitude either forgetting through ignorance or rejecting through radical individualism a collective memory for it is collective memory as a vehicle that helps us transcend the voidness of existence itself.


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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:11 pm

    Zoot Allures wrote:

    no kidding. how ironic. i was telling saully a while back how when i met you, i was a communist and you were an anarchist. then while in prison (first bid), i became a fascist, and you became a communist. then in prison (second bid), i became an anarchist and you became a fascist.

    that's some funny shit, man.
    You failed because you weren't disciplined...and you did not invest yourself.
    You did not focus your talents.

    Zero has a kid. He has a stake.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:18 pm

    Zoot Allures wrote:
    zero sum wrote:At any rate the old anarchist that was me is long gone as I see merely as being a mistake of youthful naivety.

    no kidding. how ironic. i was telling saully a while back how when i met you, i was a communist and you were an anarchist. then while in prison (first bid), i became a fascist, and you became a communist. then in prison (second bid), i became an anarchist and you became a fascist.

    that's some funny shit, man.

    so yeah, i've given up on humanity. i've traded my fasces for a max stirner leather overcoat. i don't give a damn about nothin' but my own ego. it's all about ME now, zero. hey, i tried man. i gave fifteen years of my life to studying the phenomena of man (which is equal to like thirty years for the average thinker), only to find that i couldn't apply any of it to save man from himself. so fuck em.

    a stirnerite isn't a political anarchist like the anarcho-syndicalists or anarcho-communists or any other brand like that. we are PURE anarchists who renounce government not because we believe no government would be better for men, but because only the individual governs himself. we couldn't care less what is better for 'men', only 'man', only the individual. and insofar as we remain social, we wish to form a union with other voluntary egoists. the rest are chasing 'spooks', as max put it, and are dismissed.




    "this is what i look like... not that terrible sketch drawn by that windbag, engels" - max stirner

    To give up on humanity is to give up on ourselves for we as individuals are nothing as separate entities by ourselves. We only transcend as individuals gaining any kind of momentum by working together collectively. You can save the multitude from itself but it requires an iron fist of constant intervention that can only be achieved by the disciplined, wise, and enlightened.

    Yes, it's very interesting how we have evolved separately from each other. I suspect there are events in all of our lives that happens which molds and influences us differently.

    I have given up on anarchism because of the poverty of the beliefs it entails amongst other reasons. I'll have to make a thread here giving my reasons for renouncing it.


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    Post by Zoot Allures on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:20 pm

    satyr wrote:You failed because you weren't disciplined...and you did not invest yourself.
    You did not focus your talents.

    Zero has a kid. He has a stake.

    perhaps, but you've touched on a more important truth in your reference to zero. the fact that i have no obligation to others permits me to be what i am. zero, on the other hand, has a child, and therefore great responsibility and obligation. excellent point, man.

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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:21 pm

    The secret is discrimination.
    Not humanity.....some parts of humanity.
    Be selective.
    Do not give yourself to all.
    Do not consider all the same level of human.


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    Post by Zero_Sum on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:22 pm

    Satyr wrote:
    Zoot Allures wrote:

    no kidding. how ironic. i was telling saully a while back how when i met you, i was a communist and you were an anarchist. then while in prison (first bid), i became a fascist, and you became a communist. then in prison (second bid), i became an anarchist and you became a fascist.

    that's some funny shit, man.
    You failed because you weren't disciplined...and you did not invest yourself.
    You did not focus your talents.

    Zero has a kid. He has a stake.

    It's more than that, I've stared into the void of chaos for a very long time finding it completely lacking. I understand the necessity of having a natural order in place and I also despise the perversion of this natural order in modern times.


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    Post by Satyr on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:22 pm

    Zoot Allures wrote:
    satyr wrote:You failed because you weren't disciplined...and you did not invest yourself.
    You did not focus your talents.

    Zero has a kid. He has a stake.

    perhaps, but you've touched on a more important truth in your reference to zero. the fact that i have no obligation to others permits me to be what i am. zero, on the other hand, has a child, and therefore great responsibility and obligation. excellent point, man.

    Some extend 'self' in a small piece of space/time....others expand further.


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